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this hope radios for the masses Atlanta

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before July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that a flying death has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of Yan a big change between cage I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this state is black with your host Jimmy

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Church on the game changer radio network

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I need your help to a year 1985

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your nickname is painted black with

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Jimmy judge only game changing necklace

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yeah man big black this smoke radio for

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the masses it's ten how you doing

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today's Tuesday May nice 128 days into

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the new year just 237 days left we are

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live from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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black for kjt are the game changer

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host Amy Church life is cracking

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everybody yeah Matt you know what's

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a very special guest back with this

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Peter Levin de we're going to be talking

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about the 100th anniversary of Panama as

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only Peter Levin de can do tomorrow is

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author Rd Gennari

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he is here cannot wait for that Thursday

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night we're taking the night off so

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you're going to get a best-of replay of

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the Trisha Eastman show from last week

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that's right we're taking the night off

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so just deal with it I deal with it and

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then we did it twice in a week but you

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know what hey two times in what four

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years it's not so bad I think you kids

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quick coming up next week is contact in

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the desert and oh man I was just talking

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to the good peoples over at contact in

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the desert and the stuff that they have

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the desert banner yes we've got three

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events that we're doing that weekend

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fade to black Spock

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messing live I'll be hosting a couple of

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panels on Saturday night and Sunday

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night in the amphitheater

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Melinda Leslie's doing her night vision

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integratron lots of really cool things

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films going to premiere it there that's

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well so Steven Greer is going to be

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best so there you go

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it's coming up next week fantastic

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weekend and I got weather reports today

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too coming out of there the weather is

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all of you out there at contact in the

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desert all right now so this week yes

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tonight we have Peter Levin Oh tomorrow

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Peter la venta because that is the

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official 100th anniversary of Fatima and

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kid I'm not off because Thursday during

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the day I'll be over live on the den of

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war show so we've got posted all of that

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we have contact in the desert next week

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then right after that we're going to be

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transfer a science spirit and world

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transformation conference that's taking

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and the banners and stuff are up at the

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have tickets ready but you can go and

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check it out and maybe just send them an

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email ago you know I'm ready I'm ready

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when when when are we going to have the

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this on Monday but we where confirmed

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the month but let's just say it's coming

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up here very soon and there's reasons

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all right our dead guys kept the show

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crackin happy birthday to today Billy

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man big fish right albert finney our

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dead guys birthday today is the one and

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only Howard Carter 1874 to 1939 died at

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the age of 64 of course he discovered

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history right that's pretty cool but

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there's something else about howard that

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argument against the supposed curse of

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curse of the Pharaohs that was cast upon

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30 can go happy birthday Howard Carter

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on the same history OTD 19 City I

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about this but I'm going to do it I'm

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seeing history 1950 l ron hubbard

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publishes Dianetics but that's all I'm

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going to say fader fact us trials in the

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court system here in the United States

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us trials that utilize the witness

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89 percent because somebody's a rat

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tonight our guest is back with his Peter

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Levin de is here we're going to talk

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about the 100th anniversary of Fatima

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guess the anniversary is this Saturday

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tomorrow author Rd Gennari is going to

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be here Thursday night we're taking off

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Thursday night is going to be a best-of

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replay of Tricia Eastman from last week

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and so many comments about that show

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everybody loved it so we've just thought

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let's run Tricia again this Thursday

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with everybody we're taking the night

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off we're going out like I said before

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just deal with it now today was a big

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day here American history went down it

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feels funky when it goes down doesn't it

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I mean just like stunned right what I'm

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picture of Teddy that we posted on

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ever for you know first off divide and

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conquer I don't want to do that to this

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audience it's not cool

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but the second thing I mean we can talk

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politics every single day and never talk

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about the stuff that really matter about

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this world but when things go down like

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it did today

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political yes on the front because

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that's on the front side of it it's

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political but the truth is there is a

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huge conspiracy behind what happened

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today and that's what we talk on about

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on this show so let me address this and

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also not talking about what went down

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today and I'm specifically talking about

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James Comey getting fired

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it would be a disservice to you because

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it is very very important what went down

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today was a very big deal for a lot of

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different reasons most of them you

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probably haven't thought about but yes

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Donald Trump said the words today well

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in a letter to FBI director James Comey

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you're fired

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yep he couldn't wait to say it too but

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at least those words but when you have

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when you have conspiracy the deep state

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right and that's what the world is today

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conspiracy is the new normal and if

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you've ever wondered about the world

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today and if we are indeed living in a

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very special time and we are well today

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you got proof of it when President Trump

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had a letter hand-delivered to James

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Comey and James Comey wasn't even in his

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office Trump didn't know where he was

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his personal bodyguard figures are a

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personal dude take it over his office

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and find out that Comey was not in DC he

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was actually here in Los Angeles now

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that says a lot right there just right

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there now before I continue let me be

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very clear about something the president

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has the right to fire the director of

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the FBI okay

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also let me be very clear very very

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clear James Comey is the reason Donald

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Trump got elected stuck and and no

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matter what you hear in the mass media

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no matter what you hear or read or

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whatever nobody's got the courage to say

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it but I just did James Comey is the

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reason why President Trump got elected

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make no mistake about it that's it right

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no matter what the public reasons for

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him being fired no matter what the White

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House is going to say no matter what

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sessions is going to say no matter what

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and what rhetoric is going to come out

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of DC no matter what none of it matters

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none of it none of it none of it matters

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the timing that is what matters here now

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and there are there are you're going to

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hear the left is going to say what

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they're going to say the right is going

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to say what they're going to say the the

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left is is going to be angry and

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outraged and the right is going to be

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like do two doesn't matter man it's no

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big deal and I understand that and the

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truth is they are both right they're

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both right

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doesn't matter Trump had the right to

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fire whoever you want that's it that's

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that's that the left is ah man there's

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an investigation going on and this is an

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outrage and you can do but they are both

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this is a very very very big deal make

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no mistake about it you cannot fire the

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guy leading the investigation against

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you you can't do that no matter what the

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reason is you are entitled you can you

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have the power to do it but you just

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don't do it you don't do it you can't it

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suggests to everyone and I do mean

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everyone it doesn't matter if you're

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right left it doesn't matter who you are

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it suggests to everyone that questions

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need to be asked today in this crazy

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bizarro Superman bizarro world that we

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live in nothing is right today right

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nothing is just nothing is correct just

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Mandela effect world that we live in

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right now

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nothing gets more nuts than what

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happened today and as the smoke clears

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throughout the day today I can only

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imagine what the coming days and weeks

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ahead are going to be like and it just

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may even get more out of control

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remember this show is about conspiracy

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and that world the conspiracy world your

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world your life is not what it seems and

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right now our security service is

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service is all of them all of the

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Justice Department claiming that the

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russians hacked our computer network our

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government email that agents from

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another country in another state

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interfered with our elections backroom

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deal making wikileaks leaking agent and

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spice up rating spy versus spy russian

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officials involved crazy absolute nuts

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and then Heathrow in North Korea and

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China and the other things that are

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going on right now this is a credit

387
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there are accusations flying everywhere

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and part of that is that our current

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administration is involved

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that's the crazy what we don't

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understand any of it do we we don't but

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it doesn't matter if you're right if

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you're left if you're political if

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you're not you don't understand it's a

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crazy mess this world of espionage and

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spy versus spy and hacking and white

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hats and gray hats and black hats and

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just it's it's crazy with the rumors and

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stories now that are going back almost a

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year about this the hearings the

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committee's the investigations both

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parties all intelligence branches it's

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all been so confusing to me and to all

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of us and then to do this today it just

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adds to the pile it's like what is going

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on truly truly what is going on we are

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all going to hear different sides of

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this story over the next few days and

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I'm telling you the left is going to be

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outrage the right is going to say it's

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no big deal but the truth itself is

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going to be really really trippy and it

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will come out call me right now at this

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point he ain't got nothing to lose right

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and he could start singing like a bird

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in my opinion in my opinion just let it

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go frankly and honestly listen to the

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words that I'm about to say I was

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getting tired of the investigation I

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didn't care about I lost interest yeah I

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get it

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the Russians may have hacked and

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interfered maybe Trump and some of his

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staff had relations with Russia and so

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what he's a billionaire probably did

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probably had a lot of meze got

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relationships and lots of countries but

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00:21:06,370 --> 00:21:03,650
who cares he got elected that's what

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00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:06,380
matters let's move on let's support the

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00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:08,810
Pratt let's just do that can we do that

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00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,530
we have a country to worry about right

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00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:14,720
so I was getting bored I didn't care

433
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about another Senate hearing I was just

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driving me cried I just I lost interest

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but today now we have an earthquake the

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earth

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shifted today because this country is

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00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:33,950
better than what Trump did we are better

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than we just like then move on move on

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00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:43,480
move on let it all go dude let it all go

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there is one thing that is for sure that

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when we go where we go right when we

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leave this earth

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none of this stuff that is going on

445
00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:57,200
right now that is bothering Trump

446
00:22:03,130 --> 00:22:00,590
another and bothering me cooperating is

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not going to matter it's not going to

448
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:06,110
matter move on let's take care of our

449
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kids and our children in our country in

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our streets and our Sikh and our and and

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our homeless and just worry about other

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stuff not this right now today the earth

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shifted here's the real deal behind the

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conspiracy when Comey revealed the

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Hillary stuff and nobody will talk about

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this I've been listening to it and

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reading it all day today over the last

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couple hours it just broke three hours

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ago but nobody is mentioning the obvious

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the real deal stuff when Comey revealed

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everything about Hillary Obama couldn't

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fire him should have that was a breach

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of everything that was making the FBI

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political right

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that's what Trump said today and Obama

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should have fired him them but Obama

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couldn't as wrong as it was he couldn't

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he could have he had the power to fire

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him but he couldn't because he would

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have fired the guy that was leading the

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investigation into Hillary right Trump

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loved every minute of it supported Comey

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loved it and it got him elected Trump

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should have fired him on his first day

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in office if it was really that

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egregious and it bothered him that much

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really right but he didn't because Comey

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got him elected I haven't heard anybody

479
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say this today but that's the truth

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which is why Trump shouldn't have fired

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call me not that he got him elected it's

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that he is the very

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leaving the investigation into his

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campaign and staff you just can't do

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that it raises questions there may be

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nothing there and I hope that there

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isn't there may be nothing there but by

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doing this you suggest that there is

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something going on and there there just

490
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might be I don't know what it is none of

491
00:24:06,989 --> 00:24:04,369
us do but it's probably deeper and

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darker than any of us could imagine and

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yesterday before Comey got fired this

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morning before Comey got fired

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it was no big deal to all of us it was

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really getting old

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Trump's you to just let it go but now

498
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:22,519
I'm thinking maybe there's something to

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this right

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I think that some of the shock is

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because this is the bottom line this

502
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kind of stuff never happens here

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00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,669
we've been immune to it you get

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investigated you get investigated it

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happens you get caught you get caught

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you get away with something well you

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just get away with it

508
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right but what you don't do is purge

509
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your rivals your critics and especially

510
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with the president we are beyond that

511
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:00,659
here that's what makes this country

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00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,970
great you're going to have people that

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don't like you you're going to have

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people that love you the country like

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anything else is 50/50 it's never gonna

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be a hundred percent of anything and by

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just firing people it doesn't make

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00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,120
things go away in fact it's going to

519
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make things worse

520
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the only reason call me got fired today

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was because he was investigating Trump

522
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:27,440
and by doing that the credibility of the

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firing comes into question for everybody

524
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,570
which goes back to what's really going

525
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on here

526
00:25:41,419 --> 00:25:38,070
are we infiltrated by the Russians are

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we compromised is they're crazy hacking

528
00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:43,679
going on did they in really interfere

529
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with the elections are their secret

530
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,360
deals going on underneath behind the

531
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scenes it's money changing hands

532
00:25:57,740 --> 00:25:53,390
a Russian banks involved it's just like

533
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:57,750
crazy where this thing can go and and if

534
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,500
it does blow up and if all of this stuff

535
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,960
that people are so you know just it's

536
00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:05,700
sniffing like there's something there

537
00:26:11,299 --> 00:26:08,190
instead of having it go away by doing

538
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:11,309
this something is going to blow up I'm

539
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telling you

540
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and it's because it just make like every

541
00:26:18,019 --> 00:26:16,289
all these other bumps in the road that

542
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:18,029
we've had in the past in this country

543
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:21,090
it's going to pale in comparison so it's

544
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,360
just my opinion we were right there into

545
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just almost letting everything was going

546
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,159
to be behind us it was all just about to

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go away and we could concentrate on jobs

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and health and insurance and taxes and

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our streets and our infrastructure our

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schools and our

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and our sick and our homeless we were

552
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actually right on the verge of just

553
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moving on we were right there and then

554
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:49,510
Trump went and did this today I'm

555
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telling you it's it's now it's an

556
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indication of something nuts and it

557
00:27:03,060 --> 00:26:57,970
wasn't that this morning when I woke up

558
00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:03,070
this is fade to black tonight Peter

559
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:06,280
loved Linda right here the hundredth

560
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:08,950
anniversary of Fatima it's this week can

561
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:12,850
you believe it 1917 May 13th 1917 and

562
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:15,220
went down so we're going to talk about

563
00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:18,250
that I'm going to ask Peter to give me

564
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:20,500
five minutes of today we got to do that

565
00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:22,510
then we'll move on we'll do two and a

566
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half straight hours of Fatima I promise

567
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all right

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always remember things are never what

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they seem

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632
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633
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634
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635
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GRA the planets our guest tonight Peter

636
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,720
Levin de it is the 100th anniversary of

637
00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:34,320
Fatima well it is this Saturday Peter

638
00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:37,800
Levin de has researched the material for

639
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:41,040
his books for almost 30 years he has

640
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:43,680
visited more than 40 countries he's

641
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:45,540
gained access to temples prisons

642
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,910
military installations and government

643
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:50,640
documents he is the author of of course

644
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,890
sinister forces one two and three the

645
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Hitler legacy ratline and at enter

646
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:57,780
temples you can view as published work

647
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,980
as I do as trilogies the three volumes

648
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:04,440
of sinister forces make up the American

649
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,450
trilogy the three volumes of unholy

650
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:08,760
alliance ratline and the Hitler legacy

651
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:12,030
make up that Nazi trilogy and the secret

652
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:13,620
temple the angel and the sorcerer and

653
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:15,540
the Dark Lord make up the Western

654
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,090
esoteric trilogy stairway to heaven

655
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:20,220
Tantra temples and the upcoming the

656
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,000
tantric Alchemist will make up the

657
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initiatory trilogy he appeared in the

658
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,200
TNT documentary faces of evil as an

659
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
expert on Nazi history with a special

660
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,640
regard to the occult and esoteric

661
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:34,860
practices he has also appeared on the

662
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,170
History Channel special Nazi prophesies

663
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:39,600
his most recent release of course is

664
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,410
secret machines gods Volume one of the

665
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gods man and war with Conda long of

666
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blink-182

667
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:49,650
and to the stars media and tonight we

668
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:51,510
are going to discuss the 100th

669
00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:53,610
anniversary of Fatima which occurred on

670
00:32:58,820 --> 00:32:56,460
May 13th 2017 in the mountainous region

671
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at the centre of Portugal where the

672
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:02,400
mother of God appeared six times to

673
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,040
three young children but what's the real

674
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,440
story we're only going to get it from

675
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:10,260
this man the one and only Peter

676
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:13,050
bleep and Levin Peter welcome back to

677
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,110
fade to black how are you my friend it's

678
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:18,840
great to be that's lucky yes yeah yeah

679
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:20,550
are you okay I didn't mean to freak you

680
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:22,920
out that bad well that's that's I'm

681
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:25,590
surprised you do my middle name I've

682
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,270
never told that to anyone

683
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:29,580
yeah well there's there's another

684
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:33,690
there's another noun in there or maybe

685
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:36,810
it's an adjective that I didn't insert

686
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:37,980
but I'll do it next time you're on the

687
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:44,250
show um Peter you are busy lately man

688
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:48,360
right your ear right yeah yeah you're

689
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:50,070
right at the center of everything when

690
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:53,700
it comes to ufology and you know of

691
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:55,140
course there's time belonging to the

692
00:34:00,890 --> 00:33:58,020
stars and and the uproar

693
00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:00,900
he's definitely shaking things up quite

694
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,800
a bit and you are now one of his uh you

695
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:06,600
know you're in the circle you're one of

696
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:09,240
his authors how has that been for you

697
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:12,120
pretty exciting times oh absolutely I

698
00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:15,510
mean it's an incredible ride that's been

699
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:18,030
so far it's just been insane there's

700
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:19,530
been a lot going on there's been a lot

701
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:21,649
of people involved that we've talked to

702
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:24,149
people been very generous with their

703
00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:26,610
time with their information but it

704
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,230
involves a lot of research a lot of

705
00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:30,419
writing you know a bit of traveling here

706
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,880
and there as usual but it's been it's

707
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,500
been quite a trip and it's it's still a

708
00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:36,419
trip it's still going on and you know

709
00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:38,640
we're going to move on really quick

710
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,620
because you know we'll have you and Tom

711
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:43,919
on the show very soon and we'll explore

712
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:45,570
things a little bit further but I'll say

713
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:49,260
this Tom and and what you guys are doing

714
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,679
is so big that you guys got wrapped up I

715
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:54,540
called you that day

716
00:34:59,420 --> 00:34:56,730
right when the WikiLeaks thing blew up

717
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,430
and and now you've got Podesta now you

718
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:01,680
guys are involved in this entire camp

719
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,500
today I mean you got right there front

720
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:07,410
and center with this mess that you know

721
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,680
really hasn't ended at all and it's

722
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:12,900
continuing today with the firing of call

723
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:15,780
me what's it like to be you know thrust

724
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:18,930
onto that world stage so quickly and to

725
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,210
be you know part of the mass media

726
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,460
campaign that has been going out and

727
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:24,960
part of the fake news and everything

728
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:28,650
else yeah it's been a bit bizarre like

729
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:30,090
I've done a lot of you know in my life

730
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,890
we've done a lot of strange things I've

731
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,540
gone to a lot of strange places talked

732
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:35,460
to very odd people and all of that so

733
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:38,310
that aspect of it was you know was fine

734
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:40,470
but I've never been

735
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,330
associated with something as as

736
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:46,500
newsworthy is this like an immediate

737
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:48,630
newsworthiness you know that hack of the

738
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:51,270
emails was was very unfortunate for

739
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,250
those of us who are working very hard to

740
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,730
get some information out there and to

741
00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:58,560
protect people that we worked with and

742
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,970
protect what we were doing in our

743
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,880
sources and methods you might say so

744
00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:04,320
that was a that was a bit of a problem

745
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,750
and none of us ever expected we would be

746
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:09,060
you know suddenly thrust into this

747
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:12,050
connection suddenly with you know a

748
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:15,390
Russian hack you know framing this whole

749
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:17,430
thing was just absolutely unbelievable

750
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:19,830
so it made everybody batten down the

751
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:21,570
hatches a little bit and you know take

752
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,670
some additional steps just to make sure

753
00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:26,520
that we were still you know fulfilling

754
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:27,869
our mission and at the same time

755
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,840
maintaining deeper levels of security so

756
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:32,760
you know it was it was pretty

757
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:34,710
interesting there for a while I can tell

758
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,650
you yeah what was really strange because

759
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,660
I called you immediately when it

760
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,640
happened I had spoken to Tom the day

761
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:44,640
before right and we had just exchanged

762
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:47,190
in and the next day when everything went

763
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:50,609
down I immediately you know you know

764
00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:52,080
Tom's you know all the secret stuff

765
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:54,270
right the private email privately and I

766
00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:56,550
met and everything was shut down but now

767
00:37:03,530 --> 00:36:59,490
the hatches happened within minutes I

768
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,540
mean I could not believe it well no no I

769
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:05,040
do believe it I just can't believe that

770
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,890
it actually happened like it did but he

771
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:09,540
shut everything down

772
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:12,599
within minutes well think about it this

773
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:15,660
way I mean um we know at this point

774
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:18,270
everybody pretty much understands that

775
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,070
this was a Russian operation I know it's

776
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,599
controversial people will say well maybe

777
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,760
it was you know the Chinese or some

778
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:25,740
400-pound guy in the Benz in his

779
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,330
mother's basement vegetable things you

780
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:28,980
hear right at this point we pretty much

781
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,830
know it was the Russians now think of

782
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:33,780
the implications of this that you know

783
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,170
the Russians were now hacking ufologists

784
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:39,900
basically right I mean Tom you know

785
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:41,609
doing his thing and then by extension

786
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:44,010
the rest of us suddenly had to worry

787
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,770
about you know are the Russians paying

788
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:48,720
attention now I mean is does it extend

789
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:51,810
beyond you know the the infamous Podesta

790
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:53,580
leaks have they have they gone one step

791
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:54,730
four

792
00:37:58,799 --> 00:37:57,400
those emails and saying let's check out

793
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,809
this guy and let's check out the other

794
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:00,670
guy and let's let's do all that right

795
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:02,829
because we suddenly felt we were in the

796
00:38:06,779 --> 00:38:04,990
crosshairs so yeah it was a little

797
00:38:09,029 --> 00:38:06,789
little strange little bizarre the

798
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:09,039
implications are that you know you have

799
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,650
you know possible the possibility in the

800
00:38:14,579 --> 00:38:13,599
future that there will be some more

801
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:14,589
interference

802
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:16,569
you know if they decide that this is a

803
00:38:20,759 --> 00:38:18,490
worthwhile target technology is a

804
00:38:22,589 --> 00:38:20,769
worthwhile target right I have no idea

805
00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:22,599
if that will ever come to pass all I'm

806
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:23,769
saying is that we suddenly had to

807
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:29,500
entertain this possibility the today you

808
00:38:34,019 --> 00:38:31,390
know I was using these words like you

809
00:38:37,529 --> 00:38:34,029
know earthquake the earth shifted but

810
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:37,539
but today was a really really big deal

811
00:38:44,849 --> 00:38:41,140
and you have talking about Co me getting

812
00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:44,859
fired I trunk maybe it was an egregious

813
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,500
abuse of power okay there's that there's

814
00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:49,359
outside of it maybe it wasn't he was

815
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:52,119
certainly entitled to fire Co me I mean

816
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:54,220
that's that's part of his job and I

817
00:38:59,730 --> 00:38:57,910
understand that but with all of your

818
00:39:02,730 --> 00:38:59,740
research with conspiracies and

819
00:39:07,289 --> 00:39:02,740
governments and and what goes on behind

820
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,299
and underneath and above conspiracies

821
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:10,240
just the craziness of world governments

822
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:13,390
and you look at what happened today does

823
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:16,930
it feel as as big and as momentous as I

824
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:20,680
am leading it on to be well it does to

825
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,950
me

826
00:39:25,499 --> 00:39:23,680
and I think one of the reasons and it

827
00:39:28,349 --> 00:39:25,509
may not always be it's a little bit

828
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:28,359
intuitive but when Watergate happened I

829
00:39:32,759 --> 00:39:30,490
was very much involved in reading

830
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:32,769
absolutely everything about that

831
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:34,660
situation I read three newspapers a day

832
00:39:37,769 --> 00:39:36,250
and I was living in New York City I'm

833
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:37,779
from New York so we have three

834
00:39:41,999 --> 00:39:40,420
newspapers a day I read The Times I read

835
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,009
the posts and I read the Daily News I

836
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:43,359
read everything then when the Wall

837
00:39:46,799 --> 00:39:44,980
Street Journal did stuff on it I got

838
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:46,809
that when I could get copies of the

839
00:39:50,549 --> 00:39:48,910
Washington Post I did that so I was

840
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:50,559
reading everything clipping everything

841
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,089
like mad and this was at the beginning

842
00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:54,400
of when the idea of sinister forces

843
00:39:59,009 --> 00:39:56,980
started to form so Watergate and

844
00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:59,019
sinister forces are sort of inextricably

845
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:01,900
linked because the name sinister forces

846
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:05,230
comes from one alexander haig called the

847
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:07,240
eighteen and a half minute tape gap in

848
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:07,540
the

849
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:22,060
Watergate mess so this was really how I

850
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,390
started along this path was you know

851
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:27,280
presidents and you know firing people

852
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:29,770
and covering up and doing all of that

853
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:32,530
and this wasn't exactly the night of the

854
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:34,150
Long Knives okay this isn't firing

855
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:36,370
Archibald Cox and all that stuff that

856
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:38,530
went on during Watergate it's not there

857
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:41,140
yet but there's a lot of that flavor is

858
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:43,660
the flavor of an administration you know

859
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:45,070
it's the way I feel it the way I'm

860
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:46,780
looking at it desperately trying to

861
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:48,910
cover something up or trying to impede

862
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:50,740
an investigation and that's kind of what

863
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:52,930
it looks like from where ice you know

864
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:54,940
sit and that's with just the benefit of

865
00:41:00,240 --> 00:40:56,920
having gone through all of this with

866
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:00,250
Watergate and the slow unfolding of that

867
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:02,290
thing now this is different you know you

868
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:05,470
have Watergate you had a domestic

869
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:07,900
situation you know you had the abuse of

870
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:11,070
the FBI and the CIA as Nixon's personal

871
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:13,750
police force basically spying on the

872
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:15,940
Democrats trying to destroy the

873
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:17,650
Democratic Party breaking into the

874
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:20,020
Watergate Hotel where the DNC had their

875
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:22,030
their offices all this stuff was going

876
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:25,690
on this is an international scope so

877
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:27,310
this may be something completely

878
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:29,170
different something we're not used to

879
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:32,410
yet if it does in fact involve Russians

880
00:41:37,530 --> 00:41:35,560
and to my mind not just Russians it'll

881
00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:37,540
involve the Chinese to a certain extent

882
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,600
above all other people probably other

883
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
international groups now you have

884
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:43,920
something which is far more complex and

885
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Watergate alone was so complex that to

886
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:49,210
keep all those players straight and who

887
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:51,160
worked for who and who was doing you

888
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:52,300
know what to whom and where the money

889
00:41:57,330 --> 00:41:54,280
came from the famous follow the money

890
00:41:59,070 --> 00:41:57,340
was a lot easier during Watergate than

891
00:42:00,840 --> 00:41:59,080
it is now following the money now looks

892
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:00,850
like it's going to be a real headache

893
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:02,740
because we're talking about shell

894
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:04,030
corporations we're talking about

895
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:06,010
laundered funds we're talking about

896
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:07,930
money funneled through from the Russians

897
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:09,910
to the Turks and on and on so you have a

898
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:12,250
lot more moving parts to deal with so

899
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:14,620
this may go on for quite some time and

900
00:42:20,259 --> 00:42:17,290
you know what what's interesting to me

901
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:20,269
is we were very close

902
00:42:26,219 --> 00:42:24,079
- getting bored right with the investing

903
00:42:29,769 --> 00:42:26,229
I mean I just wasn't going anywhere and

904
00:42:32,469 --> 00:42:29,779
he would have just sat on his hand for

905
00:42:34,179 --> 00:42:32,479
another week or two we could have we

906
00:42:36,879 --> 00:42:34,189
were very close to just moving on from

907
00:42:40,659 --> 00:42:36,889
this whole thing because I'm Sears right

908
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:40,669
but she's gonna you do this well then it

909
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:43,129
makes us care it puts the pack on the

910
00:42:49,989 --> 00:42:45,529
front burner and right why do that

911
00:42:52,569 --> 00:42:49,999
why why man ah okay so let's move on to

912
00:42:55,509 --> 00:42:52,579
the conspiracy of politics man it is

913
00:42:56,889 --> 00:42:55,519
absolutely deep state and everything

914
00:42:58,299 --> 00:42:56,899
that you've been writing about all these

915
00:43:00,219 --> 00:42:58,309
years and then something like this

916
00:43:04,629 --> 00:43:00,229
happens today just like well Peter was

917
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:04,639
right right it was right okay

918
00:43:09,099 --> 00:43:07,729
100th anniversary of Fatima it's hard to

919
00:43:11,319 --> 00:43:09,109
believe

920
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:11,329
Peter that it was a hundred years ago

921
00:43:16,629 --> 00:43:13,849
because for me it's a MOT it's a hundred

922
00:43:19,089 --> 00:43:16,639
years right but it's modern this is a

923
00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:19,099
modern event we have photographs or hey

924
00:43:24,939 --> 00:43:21,859
this is not this is not 200-300 years

925
00:43:27,399 --> 00:43:24,949
ago this is actually a modern event and

926
00:43:29,799 --> 00:43:27,409
everybody that was involved with it

927
00:43:35,259 --> 00:43:29,809
lived you know for quad I mean it just

928
00:43:38,139 --> 00:43:35,269
became a modern thing now for you let's

929
00:43:40,569 --> 00:43:38,149
back up let's start with the very

930
00:43:44,379 --> 00:43:40,579
beginning and what happened on May 13th

931
00:43:46,689 --> 00:43:44,389
in 1917 and then let's uh let's start to

932
00:43:49,149 --> 00:43:46,699
connect the dots oh by the way somebody

933
00:43:51,189 --> 00:43:49,159
said today I believe it was Barrett if

934
00:43:55,899 --> 00:43:51,199
there was a connect-the-dots Hall of

935
00:43:57,399 --> 00:43:55,909
Fame your first year inductee good guy

936
00:43:58,899 --> 00:43:57,409
appreciate that I've read that at

937
00:44:01,059 --> 00:43:58,909
Twitter I was like man it was so well

938
00:44:03,669 --> 00:44:01,069
put I have to steal that but I just gave

939
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:03,679
bearer credit so and then we'll we'll

940
00:44:09,669 --> 00:44:05,209
start to connect the dots but what

941
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:09,679
happened on May 13 in 1917 yeah I mean

942
00:44:14,949 --> 00:44:12,049
this is something that I grew up with

943
00:44:17,649 --> 00:44:14,959
also uh I was born in raised Roman

944
00:44:20,649 --> 00:44:17,659
Catholic right so I even went to

945
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:20,659
Catholic school I did a five-year

946
00:44:27,009 --> 00:44:25,069
stretch in the big house in Catholic

947
00:44:28,959 --> 00:44:27,019
school so it was one of these things

948
00:44:31,089 --> 00:44:28,969
where and that was this was during the

949
00:44:32,889 --> 00:44:31,099
1950's this is the height of you know it

950
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,899
was the Cold War it was the Russians had

951
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,920
the bomb you know

952
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:35,920
the sirens goal would grow off

953
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:37,910
periodically we had to go through the

954
00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:39,980
air raid drills and all the rest of it

955
00:44:45,010 --> 00:44:41,720
and growing up Catholic under those

956
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:45,020
circumstances Fatima became this sort of

957
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:47,090
rallying point because there was all

958
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:50,060
sorts of mystification about the secrets

959
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:51,650
of Fatima and what Fatima really

960
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:53,470
represented and it was really

961
00:45:00,730 --> 00:44:55,670
manipulated by the church in such a way

962
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:00,740
that Fatima seemed to represent a kind

963
00:45:06,970 --> 00:45:04,330
of anti-communist anti a theist a

964
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:06,980
religious movement within the Catholic

965
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:10,100
Church so we heard a lot about Fatima

966
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,380
growing up we always saw the picture the

967
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:14,480
three small children and the Virgin

968
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:17,090
Mother appearing in the small town in

969
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:19,610
Portugal and that's where we start off

970
00:45:26,770 --> 00:45:22,700
it's May 13th is when the first actual

971
00:45:28,810 --> 00:45:26,780
appearance of something which was

972
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:28,820
eventually identified as the Virgin

973
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,880
Mother took place but actually the the

974
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:34,400
visions began a little bit earlier began

975
00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:38,870
in 1916 there was a sort of miraculous

976
00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:41,780
figure that appeared to one of the

977
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:47,240
children who was Lucia Lucia Santos and

978
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:49,810
she saw this figure of male figure

979
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:52,600
shining appearing out of nowhere and

980
00:45:59,110 --> 00:45:54,890
communicating with her in some way and

981
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,120
trying to teach her how to pray and sort

982
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,240
of very authoritarian very strict then

983
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:04,160
she doesn't really talk about that but

984
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:05,810
she talks about it or two friends

985
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,550
they're sworn to secrecy so on and so

986
00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:09,920
forth and people start to hear about

987
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:11,420
these things so they don't pay very much

988
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:14,530
attention and then finally on May 13th

989
00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:18,740
1917 this is the first actual appearance

990
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:21,380
of this being called the Blessed Virgin

991
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,930
Mother which they thought was the Virgin

992
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,960
Mother although at the time this

993
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:28,880
appearance this apparition was not

994
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:32,390
identified as such by the children but

995
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:34,790
what she did here what especially Lucia

996
00:46:39,970 --> 00:46:36,470
who was sort of the the ringleader of

997
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,980
this what she heard was a plea that had

998
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:42,400
something to do with Russia

999
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:46,180
and she thought at first that this this

1000
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:48,910
term Russia meant was the name of a girl

1001
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:51,250
Lucia she thought was the name of some

1002
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:52,870
small child she was supposed to look out

1003
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,000
for now we have to look back a little

1004
00:46:59,940 --> 00:46:57,040
bit where is this taking place this is

1005
00:47:03,930 --> 00:46:59,950
north of Lisbon it's in basically an

1006
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,940
extremely rural part of Portugal the the

1007
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:05,680
three children are actually tending

1008
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:08,680
sheep their Shepherds like in you know

1009
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:11,350
in the Gospels writing the Testament so

1010
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:12,700
they're tending sheep and the other

1011
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:15,100
seeing visions and the vision they're

1012
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:18,910
seeing is basically of a disc or of a

1013
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:21,010
globe or of an orb of some kind that

1014
00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:24,130
suddenly appears and out of this the

1015
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:25,990
divergent mother or a female figure

1016
00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:28,660
anyway dressed in white appears and

1017
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:31,780
talks to the children and Lucia and the

1018
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:33,790
children are told that there will be a

1019
00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:37,330
sixth a total of six of visits by this

1020
00:47:41,790 --> 00:47:39,160
person over the next six months

1021
00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:41,800
always on the 13th so it starts on May

1022
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:45,160
the 13th goes for six months and ends on

1023
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:48,310
October 13th which is my birthday

1024
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:50,890
mine's October 10th I didn't know yours

1025
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:53,590
was the third game you know really yeah

1026
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:54,610
I knew you reliever

1027
00:48:01,170 --> 00:47:57,970
I felt I felt a vibe but in it what you

1028
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:01,180
know what is strange here it will move

1029
00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:05,890
on quickly but there is a serious TT UFO

1030
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:08,200
type of connection here that can't be

1031
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:10,510
denied with that yet with the

1032
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,890
descriptions from everybody the

1033
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:14,220
photographs that they do survive

1034
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:17,130
especially from the October 13th date

1035
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:20,650
I've always found extremely interesting

1036
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:22,810
over the years that maybe it could have

1037
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:25,810
been either either et or maybe even a

1038
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:28,110
visitor from the future talking about

1039
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:32,950
future events to them at like like

1040
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:35,770
almost Precog right okay so beef so

1041
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:37,570
let's move on from there okay so they

1042
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:40,060
they have these sightings they are told

1043
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:43,810
six six visitations and they went

1044
00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:47,530
through October 13th 1917 and on October

1045
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:49,320
13th wasn't there there was like a

1046
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:52,120
hundred thousand people gathered yeah

1047
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:53,890
there was a massive crowd because by

1048
00:48:57,539 --> 00:48:55,390
this point the

1049
00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:57,549
is gone out the Virgin Mother herself is

1050
00:49:02,880 --> 00:48:59,740
going to appear and there's going to be

1051
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:02,890
this this demonstration of her power

1052
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:06,430
right some sort of supernatural display

1053
00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:08,500
is going to take place so it's raining

1054
00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:10,359
heavily a lot of people show up there's

1055
00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:12,099
photographs of crowds of people with

1056
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:14,140
umbrellas and then suddenly the clouds

1057
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:18,760
part and this shining disc appears you

1058
00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:21,910
know which they say was the Sun but

1059
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:24,039
there's a lot of difference of opinion

1060
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:25,089
there are a lot of people there are

1061
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:26,529
thousands and thousands of people and

1062
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:29,049
the eyewitness testimony is all over the

1063
00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:29,470
place

1064
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,420
but people seem to agree those who saw

1065
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:34,079
something agreed it was a disc it was a

1066
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:37,630
disc let changed color and that suddenly

1067
00:49:41,759 --> 00:49:39,700
everything dried out everybody who had

1068
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:41,769
been soaking wet from the rain suddenly

1069
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,740
was bone-dry extremely warm this disc

1070
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:46,720
sailed and moved across the sky in

1071
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:50,319
various strange ways spun around crashed

1072
00:49:54,269 --> 00:49:52,150
to the earth and then popped back up

1073
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,279
again into the heavens I mean this was a

1074
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:56,559
UFO sighting right right right this was

1075
00:50:02,220 --> 00:49:59,380
vinda mean vintage you might say 1917

1076
00:50:06,029 --> 00:50:02,230
right this is 30 years before Roswell 30

1077
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:06,039
years before Kenneth Arnold yeah yeah 30

1078
00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:08,980
years so here we have in 1917 this

1079
00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:12,549
bizarre event taking place now she's

1080
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,380
famous Lucia and her two friends are

1081
00:50:19,289 --> 00:50:16,480
famous but during these sightings

1082
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:19,299
they've been getting information from

1083
00:50:24,779 --> 00:50:21,220
this being who's been talking to them

1084
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:24,789
and the being basically told her told

1085
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Lucia that her two cousins the cousins

1086
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:30,130
were Jacinto and Francisco that they

1087
00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:32,650
would be taken up to heaven very soon

1088
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:34,990
they would not be around to see what was

1089
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:37,089
going to happen and that turned out to

1090
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,660
be true they both died of disease within

1091
00:50:47,279 --> 00:50:43,599
about a year to two years after the 1917

1092
00:50:48,749 --> 00:50:47,289
sighting so that was strange but then

1093
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:48,759
there was more there was something to do

1094
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:50,170
with Russia something to do with a

1095
00:50:54,329 --> 00:50:52,210
vision of Hell which was the very first

1096
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:54,339
Secret of fátima there were three

1097
00:50:59,549 --> 00:50:56,920
secrets in total and the first one was

1098
00:51:02,700 --> 00:50:59,559
an actual vision of horrible situation

1099
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:02,710
horrible hell destruction pain suffering

1100
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:06,160
warfare and the let's call her the

1101
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,569
Virgin Mother because that's eventually

1102
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:09,200
what they said she was

1103
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:11,930
I tells tells the 3q tells the kids that

1104
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,530
we can avoid some of this the first

1105
00:51:18,579 --> 00:51:16,880
conflict you will not be able to avoid

1106
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:18,589
it's going to happen because everybody

1107
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:21,049
is very sinful but the second one you

1108
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,790
might be able to avoid if everyone does

1109
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:25,040
penance and they all the penance was the

1110
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:27,890
second secret you know XPA for your sins

1111
00:51:32,829 --> 00:51:29,720
pay for your sins maybe you can avoid a

1112
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:32,839
worse conflagration later now I want to

1113
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:35,240
fall back just a little bit to give a

1114
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:40,130
little context Portugal in 1917 well was

1115
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:42,740
in the midst of World War one right

1116
00:51:48,099 --> 00:51:44,440
the Portuguese were fighting the Germans

1117
00:51:50,799 --> 00:51:48,109
actually they wanted access to to the

1118
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:50,809
British markets and everyone thinks of

1119
00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:53,960
the three poor children in Portugal and

1120
00:51:59,640 --> 00:51:55,460
it's a very beautiful sort of bucolic

1121
00:52:03,160 --> 00:51:59,650
setting but Portugal at that time had a

1122
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:03,170
colonies all around the world and they

1123
00:52:07,539 --> 00:52:05,510
had been involved in a slave trade for a

1124
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:07,549
very long time shipping slaves from

1125
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:10,700
Africa to Brazil Portugal was involved

1126
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:12,230
in a lot of nasty stuff is what I'm

1127
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:14,210
basically trying to point out and they

1128
00:52:18,819 --> 00:52:16,190
had colonies all in Africa they had

1129
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,829
Macau of course in Asia they had for a

1130
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:20,720
short time Taiwan which they called

1131
00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:22,670
Formosa they were spread all over the

1132
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:24,230
place and of course Brazil so they had

1133
00:52:29,530 --> 00:52:27,740
colonies everyplace and they were

1134
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:29,540
looking for markets for some of the

1135
00:52:32,620 --> 00:52:30,680
products they were making so they were

1136
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:32,630
very involved politically but at the

1137
00:52:36,849 --> 00:52:35,329
same time the government of Portugal at

1138
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:36,859
this time it's important to know this

1139
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:39,230
for the rest of the story the government

1140
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:41,240
had turned very secular it was a time of

1141
00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:43,790
what they call the first Republic the

1142
00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:46,780
church was actually virtually banned in

1143
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:49,160
Portugal at the time of the of the

1144
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,390
apparitions of the the Fatima miracles

1145
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:54,710
priests could not wear their Kasich's in

1146
00:53:00,520 --> 00:52:58,130
the street a lot of the convents and

1147
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:00,530
churches were emptied out people could

1148
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:02,270
no longer stay in the monasteries there

1149
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:04,089
was this really vicious sort of

1150
00:53:09,849 --> 00:53:06,859
anti-clerical movement that took over

1151
00:53:12,579 --> 00:53:09,859
Portugal for the period of World War one

1152
00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:12,589
and a little bit later so these kids

1153
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:14,900
were growing up in an atmosphere where

1154
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:17,210
the church was being suppressed so when

1155
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:20,930
the children had these visions they did

1156
00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:23,130
not immediately identify them

1157
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:25,109
as coming from God or the Virgin Mother

1158
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:26,609
or something there were just these

1159
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:29,339
beings that were arriving and showing up

1160
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,049
and telling them stuff and disappearing

1161
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:33,420
again and they did that what did they do

1162
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:38,460
that out of out of fear to do to that

1163
00:53:41,989 --> 00:53:40,410
did the children do that out of fear

1164
00:53:45,289 --> 00:53:41,999
because of what the government was doing

1165
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:45,299
as far as repression with the Catholic

1166
00:53:50,509 --> 00:53:47,249
Church they didn't want to say that it

1167
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,519
was you know I bet that's one way of

1168
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:52,319
looking at it forever maybe they were

1169
00:53:55,279 --> 00:53:53,819
afraid to say it was the Virgin Mother

1170
00:53:56,779 --> 00:53:55,289
because the church was being somehow

1171
00:53:59,059 --> 00:53:56,789
suppressed right but the church was

1172
00:54:00,680 --> 00:53:59,069
still there right they were not to close

1173
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:00,690
down but they were virtually closed out

1174
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:02,339
I mean they're there they returned into

1175
00:54:07,579 --> 00:54:05,339
non-citizens basically the clergy were

1176
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:07,589
basically no longer clergy as far as the

1177
00:54:12,229 --> 00:54:09,059
Portuguese government was concerned so

1178
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,239
but they were still active and the

1179
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:14,339
priests who became involved in this it

1180
00:54:18,859 --> 00:54:16,650
seems to me from my reading of what

1181
00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:18,869
happened to what happens since the the

1182
00:54:23,479 --> 00:54:21,809
apparitions of 1917 was at the church so

1183
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,489
this was an excellent opportunity to

1184
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:25,859
kind of manipulate this in a certain way

1185
00:54:30,739 --> 00:54:28,859
as to say see God is very unhappy with

1186
00:54:32,749 --> 00:54:30,749
Morocco for I've done this right plus

1187
00:54:35,029 --> 00:54:32,759
world war two was going on so you did

1188
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:35,039
have the Gateway well our world war one

1189
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:38,249
is going on as you had all of that right

1190
00:54:43,099 --> 00:54:40,170
I mean that was that was a brutal war

1191
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:43,109
and the symbology there is kind of

1192
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:44,940
obvious but let me ask you this before

1193
00:54:50,959 --> 00:54:48,450
we hit this break with those three no we

1194
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:50,969
just went through one and two but were

1195
00:54:58,819 --> 00:54:55,950
they were they accurate that's what we

1196
00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:58,829
were told but do you think that the

1197
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:01,710
Vatican actually has the real whatever

1198
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:05,249
those prophecies are it what has been

1199
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:08,430
told to us is it the Vatican's

1200
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,890
version of what they want us to know do

1201
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:12,559
you think there's something more secret

1202
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,960
still at the Vatican I think that the

1203
00:55:20,749 --> 00:55:18,960
the statement of Lucia who was really

1204
00:55:22,969 --> 00:55:20,759
the only one doing all the talking I

1205
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:22,979
think a lot of that was massage because

1206
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:24,690
the church got a hold of this very

1207
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:27,180
quickly very quick very quickly and I

1208
00:55:31,339 --> 00:55:28,859
think what they did is they they took

1209
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:31,349
what was basically a very basic series

1210
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:34,049
of statements by the children and turned

1211
00:55:36,859 --> 00:55:35,910
them into the theological statement

1212
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:36,869
which is we

1213
00:55:39,739 --> 00:55:38,490
far more of which then they were capable

1214
00:55:41,509 --> 00:55:39,749
of they didn't know how to read or write

1215
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,519
to Christ they didn't have any

1216
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:43,380
theological training or anything special

1217
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:44,609
you know where that was concerned and

1218
00:55:48,769 --> 00:55:46,710
suddenly you know their their wording

1219
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:48,779
has become very flowery and it's become

1220
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:51,569
basically a propaganda piece so to

1221
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,069
answer your first question where the

1222
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,960
kids may be did they have a spiritual

1223
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:56,160
experience and we're afraid to talk

1224
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:58,200
about it or was it more likely that the

1225
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:01,140
church saw this as an opportunity for a

1226
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:03,450
bigger event that was coming up which

1227
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:06,359
was also in October 1917 and that was

1228
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:07,650
the beginning of the Russian Revolution

1229
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:08,730
that's right

1230
00:56:13,579 --> 00:56:11,849
so we'll address all of that and and

1231
00:56:15,859 --> 00:56:13,589
continue to connect the dots right after

1232
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:15,869
the break there was one other thing for

1233
00:56:23,529 --> 00:56:18,900
me we'll discuss this at length but

1234
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:23,539
Lucia was completely silenced she was

1235
00:56:29,539 --> 00:56:27,420
completely shut down and most people

1236
00:56:31,249 --> 00:56:29,549
don't know that part of the story

1237
00:56:33,859 --> 00:56:31,259
they've got you know the secret

1238
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:33,869
prophecies and and the Vatican part of

1239
00:56:39,739 --> 00:56:36,930
it but she was she was silenced how was

1240
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,749
she silenced they put her in a convent

1241
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:40,920
and they shut her up and put her away

1242
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:43,380
that's what you do right that's what

1243
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:45,089
that Catholic Church does

1244
00:56:49,729 --> 00:56:47,130
it's an incredible part of the story how

1245
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,739
do you really clamp the lid on it well

1246
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:51,359
you know what you just make somebody a

1247
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,670
nun that's what you do and that's

1248
00:56:57,319 --> 00:56:55,440
exactly what they did our guest tonight

1249
00:56:58,729 --> 00:56:57,329
Peter Levin we're going to take a break

1250
00:57:01,039 --> 00:56:58,739
right here it's the hundredth

1251
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:01,049
anniversary of Fatima and we are going

1252
00:57:05,299 --> 00:57:03,089
to get the Linda

1253
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:05,309
side of things which to me is the

1254
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:07,319
correct one connecting the dots with

1255
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:09,630
Peter will continue out after this short

1256
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:09,960
break

1257
00:57:29,309 --> 00:57:12,490
this is fade to black stay right there

1258
00:57:29,319 --> 00:57:33,500
Oh

1259
00:57:38,749 --> 00:57:35,739
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1260
00:57:42,019 --> 00:57:38,759
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1261
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:42,029
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1262
00:57:50,059 --> 00:57:47,249
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1263
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1264
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1265
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1266
00:58:05,749 --> 00:58:03,329
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1267
00:58:07,339 --> 00:58:05,759
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1268
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,349
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1269
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1270
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1271
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1272
00:58:20,749 --> 00:58:19,979
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1274
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1275
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1276
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1277
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1278
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1298
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1299
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1300
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1301
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,490
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1302
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:41,200
used to so I like to keep fit as

1303
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:43,030
possible by hitting the gym a few times

1304
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:45,160
a week recently I started having a

1305
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:47,530
nagging bicep pain and it got so bad I

1306
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:49,270
couldn't even lift the weights when I

1307
00:59:53,370 --> 00:59:51,160
was complaining about it to a friend he

1308
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:53,380
told me about angio prim he said

1309
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:55,540
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1310
00:59:59,789 --> 00:59:57,790
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1311
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,799
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1312
01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:01,839
know after just one week of taking angio

1313
01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:04,420
primm the pain was gone and now I'm back

1314
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:06,430
in the gym full strength scientific

1315
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1316
01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:10,960
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1317
01:00:15,809 --> 01:00:13,720
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1318
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1320
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1321
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1322
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1323
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1325
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1326
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:38,380
Hanks to the graylien report and you're

1327
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:40,089
listening to Jimmy church on fade to

1328
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1329
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1331
01:01:09,070 --> 01:01:06,550
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1332
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:09,080
all right welcome back fade to black our

1333
01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:11,600
guest tonight Peter Levin de talking

1334
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:14,620
about the 100th anniversary of Fatima

1335
01:01:20,350 --> 01:01:19,280
may 13 1917 anniversary is this Saturday

1336
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:20,360
we're covering it tonight

1337
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:22,070
Peter's going to be over with me on

1338
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:24,980
coast to coast everybody this Saturday

1339
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:28,010
night too for the actual official

1340
01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:29,810
anniversary but we're doing it tonight

1341
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:32,300
so Peter let's pick up where we left off

1342
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:35,660
right at that moment for May 13th our

1343
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:38,870
let's act Oberer 13th

1344
01:01:44,770 --> 01:01:41,390
yeah October 13th wow it was both of 13

1345
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:44,780
yeah always the 13th yeah yeah why I

1346
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:47,090
didn't even think about that October

1347
01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:51,200
13th and what happens next well there's

1348
01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:53,060
another strange coincidence about

1349
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:55,630
October 13th that's also the famous date

1350
01:02:00,690 --> 01:01:58,130
on which the Knights Templar were

1351
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:00,700
suppressed by the Catholic Church bingo

1352
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,700
bingo yeah five days of 13th October 13

1353
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:07,280
p.m. very strange very strange okay

1354
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:09,950
so I think that's a coincidence let me

1355
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:13,910
just pop one word in just just one thing

1356
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:15,140
you think that's a coincidence

1357
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:18,770
right somebody a very famous person said

1358
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:21,590
in the designs of Providence there are

1359
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:25,220
no mere coincidences ever and the guy

1360
01:02:30,730 --> 01:02:28,130
who said that was pope john paul ii

1361
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:30,740
tried and he said it after he was shot

1362
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,330
on May the 13th you got a look at look

1363
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:39,680
at back to that little while but I just

1364
01:02:42,430 --> 01:02:40,850
wanted to throw that in there about

1365
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:42,440
coincidence and dates and everything

1366
01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:43,910
else if you think we're being a little

1367
01:02:47,950 --> 01:02:46,040
far-fetched October 13th and the

1368
01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:47,960
Templars and all of that according to

1369
01:02:53,050 --> 01:02:49,940
the Pope himself who was actually shot

1370
01:02:57,310 --> 01:02:53,060
on that day you know and then gave the

1371
01:03:00,030 --> 01:02:57,320
bullet to the chapel at Fatima right

1372
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:00,040
because he believed it was connected

1373
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:02,810
hope believe it was connected and said

1374
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:04,670
there's no such thing as coincidences

1375
01:03:10,270 --> 01:03:07,370
are there any pointy hats involved oh

1376
01:03:12,610 --> 01:03:10,280
yeah okay let's go I wouldn't be

1377
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:12,620
involved in this different 20s there was

1378
01:03:17,450 --> 01:03:16,730
a baby pointy hat alright okay so but

1379
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:17,460
what

1380
01:03:25,790 --> 01:03:22,830
happens next well it becomes a kind of a

1381
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,800
political football because now the the

1382
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:28,260
children are being told to say this was

1383
01:03:33,290 --> 01:03:30,150
the Virgin Mother and the Virgin Mother

1384
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:33,300
said we have to consecrate Russia we

1385
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:36,210
have to convert the Russians from

1386
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:38,040
whatever they're doing which is the

1387
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:40,619
Bolshevik Revolution and save Russia

1388
01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:43,170
because if we save Russia we'll save the

1389
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:45,000
world and the world will not descend

1390
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:46,260
into war and chaos

1391
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:50,250
so this Russia emphasis goes on and on

1392
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:52,710
and on lúcia keeps repeating it she gets

1393
01:03:56,180 --> 01:03:54,540
other visions even when she's in the

1394
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:56,190
convent she gets sent to the convent

1395
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,130
quite early on she's told to go to this

1396
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:01,200
convent and the sisters of st. Dorothy I

1397
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,570
think of all names right um I won't make

1398
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:05,940
any Wizard of odd jokes but anyway so

1399
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:07,500
she's she's in the convent of st.

1400
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:10,980
Dorothy and she is getting more visions

1401
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:13,619
of the Virgin Mother now she's kind of

1402
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:15,480
secure that this must be the Virgin

1403
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:17,640
Mother because the priests are telling

1404
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:20,250
her it's the Virgin Mother and the

1405
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:21,750
Virgin Mother keeps talking about Russia

1406
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:23,790
to do something about Russia there's you

1407
01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:26,420
know appearances there's weird

1408
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:29,550
supernatural events Lucia is seeing

1409
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:32,010
strange people sort of appearing out of

1410
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:34,560
nowhere in in the church or in her room

1411
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:36,750
and giving her this information it

1412
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:39,480
sounds like you know typical close

1413
01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:42,839
encounter you know events but which he's

1414
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:44,339
now framing into this completely

1415
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,890
religious framework because after all

1416
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:48,540
now she's a nun and she's in a convent

1417
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,910
her entire environment is the church so

1418
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:53,520
she keeps talking about Russia and now

1419
01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:56,940
Russia in 1917 has their revolution it

1420
01:05:00,890 --> 01:04:58,859
happens in October of their calendar but

1421
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:00,900
November of ours at the time so the

1422
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:02,430
revolution takes place the Bolsheviks

1423
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:05,369
take over World War one comes to an end

1424
01:05:13,550 --> 01:05:09,330
in November of 1918 and as I've said all

1425
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:13,560
my life the World War one did not really

1426
01:05:19,099 --> 01:05:16,430
end I mean we're still living it

1427
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:19,109
historians will look back and say this

1428
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:21,510
entire period was the Hundred Years War

1429
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,450
the second version 2.0 of the Hundred

1430
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:25,920
Years War me we're still fighting World

1431
01:05:31,370 --> 01:05:29,730
War one and in that sense Lucia was kind

1432
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,380
of prescient because she saw

1433
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:33,240
she understood where she was being told

1434
01:05:36,980 --> 01:05:35,579
that this was going to be happening this

1435
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:36,990
was never going to end it was going to

1436
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:39,390
keep going on and on and on and so

1437
01:05:43,819 --> 01:05:41,910
Russia is you know the Bugaboo Russia

1438
01:05:48,049 --> 01:05:43,829
represented atheism represented

1439
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:48,059
communism and so around Fatima began to

1440
01:05:54,049 --> 01:05:51,390
grow up a lot of sort of pro fascist

1441
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,059
groups which eventually turned into the

1442
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,579
government of Salazar which was there he

1443
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:58,559
was friends of Franco they were both

1444
01:06:02,359 --> 01:06:00,059
Friends of Hitler and that sort of thing

1445
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:02,369
this idea that if you wanted to fight

1446
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:04,529
communism it was a combination not just

1447
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:07,140
of a political ideology but you needed

1448
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:09,690
the church also so all the problems the

1449
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:12,750
church had went away and after about

1450
01:06:18,499 --> 01:06:16,140
1926 or so everything went back to where

1451
01:06:20,749 --> 01:06:18,509
it was before and you had a very extreme

1452
01:06:23,539 --> 01:06:20,759
right-wing government which had

1453
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:23,549
pro-fascist sympathies very right-wing

1454
01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:26,910
and very pro-nazi as the war progressed

1455
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:29,670
Portugal stayed out of world war two was

1456
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,170
kind of a neutral zone where a lot of

1457
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:33,180
Nazi money wound up I wrote about that

1458
01:06:37,849 --> 01:06:35,609
and in the Hitler legacy and all of that

1459
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:37,859
so this is this was Portugal it wasn't

1460
01:06:42,259 --> 01:06:40,380
you know when I was a kid in the in the

1461
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:42,269
50s and you know we were in church and

1462
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,220
there's the scapulars and there's the

1463
01:06:49,339 --> 01:06:46,319
rosaries and there's all these devotions

1464
01:06:51,799 --> 01:06:49,349
to Fatima you didn't really understand

1465
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:51,809
of course you were never told a complete

1466
01:06:56,539 --> 01:06:54,630
political context of this but it was

1467
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:56,549
very very important the political

1468
01:07:01,160 --> 01:06:58,650
context was everything this was an an

1469
01:07:03,769 --> 01:07:01,170
anti-communist movement that was both

1470
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,779
the church and you know military

1471
01:07:10,279 --> 01:07:06,180
elements and fascist elements just as we

1472
01:07:15,009 --> 01:07:10,289
had in world war ii Pacelli who became

1473
01:07:19,099 --> 01:07:15,019
Pope Paul excuse me Pope Pius V the 12th

1474
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:19,109
had witnessed what happened in Berlin in

1475
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,380
1918 1917 1918 when the war ended and

1476
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:24,240
the German troops came back from the

1477
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:26,569
Russian front and he saw the danger that

1478
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:29,460
Munich and Berlin would all suddenly go

1479
01:07:34,099 --> 01:07:31,890
communist he was a sort of papal nuncio

1480
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:34,109
at the time he came back and he never

1481
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,690
forgot that he was very worried about

1482
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:39,240
the spread of communism what Bolshevism

1483
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:41,970
would do and that was the beginning of

1484
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,330
the church's flirtation with

1485
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:46,160
fascist elements and eventually helping

1486
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:48,200
the Nazis to escape as you and I have

1487
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:49,850
talked about many times on this program

1488
01:07:54,430 --> 01:07:51,830
right so you had all these people

1489
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:54,440
escaping because there was this basic

1490
01:08:02,290 --> 01:07:57,970
identity between this extreme form of

1491
01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:02,300
Catholic mysticism and an extreme

1492
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,120
political ideology they got together

1493
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:07,760
because communism was atheism and

1494
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:09,650
therefore it was from the devil it was

1495
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:14,000
evil so this was this began as early at

1496
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:17,810
least as 1917 as early as Fatima because

1497
01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:19,850
Fatima happened as a religious movement

1498
01:08:24,579 --> 01:08:23,000
in the midst of a very leftist sort of

1499
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:24,589
government i wanted to ban religion

1500
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:25,970
entirely and do all these things that

1501
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:28,130
were happening in mexico also in other

1502
01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:30,140
parts of the world so there was this

1503
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:32,180
movement against the church this sort of

1504
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:35,570
throw a left-wing environment and that

1505
01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:37,460
is where fatima took place it took place

1506
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:39,380
under those circumstances well let me

1507
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:40,250
ask you this

1508
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:43,310
this is something that i find very very

1509
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:45,170
i've always found a strange about that

1510
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:48,890
a'mma that when they reveal these

1511
01:08:53,260 --> 01:08:50,690
visions and these conversations that

1512
01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:53,270
they were having they they were very

1513
01:09:01,570 --> 01:08:56,359
young Francisco was like eight years old

1514
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:01,580
right yes cinta was seven six years old

1515
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:04,460
they both died in 1919 to 1920 at the

1516
01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:07,970
age of you know ten years older and so

1517
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:11,620
you know eight how could they possibly

1518
01:09:19,420 --> 01:09:17,930
have I'm going to trying to figure out

1519
01:09:21,940 --> 01:09:19,430
how to put this how could they have

1520
01:09:24,610 --> 01:09:21,950
known the political side of these

1521
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:24,620
visions and what they represented with

1522
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:27,710
Russia for one the gates of Hell world

1523
01:09:34,690 --> 01:09:31,190
war one which was going on and to have

1524
01:09:36,970 --> 01:09:34,700
all of this represent all of these other

1525
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:36,980
things because that's exactly how it was

1526
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:39,890
spun over the next few years by the

1527
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,350
church that these visions were

1528
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:45,920
representing all of this I I don't

1529
01:09:50,380 --> 01:09:47,810
understand that unless the visions were

1530
01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:50,390
real is what I'm getting at well you're

1531
01:09:54,850 --> 01:09:52,390
exactly right I think the visions

1532
01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:54,860
actually took place something happened

1533
01:09:58,179 --> 01:09:56,990
those kids saw something and on October

1534
01:10:00,189 --> 01:09:58,189
13th 1917

1535
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:00,199
thousands of people saw something right

1536
01:10:06,069 --> 01:10:02,209
so there was something that was taking

1537
01:10:08,679 --> 01:10:06,079
place the church spun it in from my

1538
01:10:12,009 --> 01:10:08,689
point of view looking at at the

1539
01:10:13,719 --> 01:10:12,019
interrogation of Lucia in the very early

1540
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:13,729
days you know when the church was trying

1541
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:15,260
to find out what was going on right she

1542
01:10:20,589 --> 01:10:17,449
was very obscure I mean she really

1543
01:10:21,819 --> 01:10:20,599
wasn't very specific about oh I saw the

1544
01:10:23,409 --> 01:10:21,829
Virgin Mother and she told me to pray

1545
01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:23,419
for Russia that didn't come out until

1546
01:10:26,979 --> 01:10:25,550
later right you know so she had been

1547
01:10:29,529 --> 01:10:26,989
trained she had been prepped to say

1548
01:10:30,819 --> 01:10:29,539
certain things they had an encounter of

1549
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:30,829
some kind they had a series of

1550
01:10:35,529 --> 01:10:33,409
encounters I don't doubt that something

1551
01:10:36,969 --> 01:10:35,539
did happen to these kids they saw

1552
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:36,979
something they experience something and

1553
01:10:42,989 --> 01:10:39,289
Lucia continued to experience things

1554
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:42,999
throughout her life and the church

1555
01:10:47,409 --> 01:10:45,110
handled this in such a way that in the

1556
01:10:49,509 --> 01:10:47,419
beginning it was very sectarian you know

1557
01:10:51,699 --> 01:10:49,519
it was it was anti-communist thing and

1558
01:10:53,319 --> 01:10:51,709
it was happening in Portugal and in the

1559
01:10:55,179 --> 01:10:53,329
fact of attica in Rome they were sort of

1560
01:10:57,729 --> 01:10:55,189
they held it at arm's length for a

1561
01:10:59,589 --> 01:10:57,739
little while but when they saw what was

1562
01:11:01,390 --> 01:10:59,599
happening in Russia when they saw that

1563
01:11:03,129 --> 01:11:01,400
the Tsar and his family had been

1564
01:11:04,779 --> 01:11:03,139
murdered when they saw that the

1565
01:11:07,149 --> 01:11:04,789
Bolsheviks were really in power that

1566
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:07,159
Lenin had taken over I was changing

1567
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:08,510
everything around and was really in

1568
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:10,610
control I think the church then looked

1569
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:12,409
at Fatima and said this will make a

1570
01:11:17,799 --> 01:11:16,159
great propaganda tool for us against you

1571
01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:17,809
know communism because Germany was in

1572
01:11:21,759 --> 01:11:20,900
danger of going communist in 1919 1920

1573
01:11:23,290 --> 01:11:21,769
21

1574
01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:23,300
there were socialist governments in

1575
01:11:27,429 --> 01:11:25,459
Berlin there was an attempted socialist

1576
01:11:29,799 --> 01:11:27,439
takeover in Munich this is where Hitler

1577
01:11:32,649 --> 01:11:29,809
you know cut his milk teeth basically on

1578
01:11:34,569 --> 01:11:32,659
on German politics so this was happening

1579
01:11:38,739 --> 01:11:34,579
all over this was very you cannot over

1580
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,749
emphasize how freaked out everyone was

1581
01:11:42,909 --> 01:11:40,880
not just in Europe in the United States

1582
01:11:44,799 --> 01:11:42,919
as well and all around the world with

1583
01:11:47,469 --> 01:11:44,809
the rise of the Soviet Union people

1584
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:47,479
freaked out completely this was

1585
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:49,130
something that nobody had anticipated

1586
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:53,449
and so having someone like Lucia you

1587
01:11:57,909 --> 01:11:55,610
know as a nun talking about the visions

1588
01:12:00,129 --> 01:11:57,919
of the Blessed Virgin and how you had to

1589
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,139
do something about Russia and consecrate

1590
01:12:03,790 --> 01:12:01,760
Russia she was advising the Pope's to

1591
01:12:06,189 --> 01:12:03,800
something you know may can make a stand

1592
01:12:07,719 --> 01:12:06,199
against Russia and open stand we have to

1593
01:12:09,489 --> 01:12:07,729
do something about Russia so she was on

1594
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,499
and on about that and I think she got

1595
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:11,600
that message later

1596
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:13,940
I don't think as a child you know in in

1597
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:16,370
in the the forest there in Portugal

1598
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:18,620
tending the Sheep that she got this very

1599
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:21,260
sophisticated political indoctrination I

1600
01:12:28,150 --> 01:12:22,580
don't believe that happened at all

1601
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:28,160
now with those six visions do you have

1602
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:30,500
those broken down what happened at each

1603
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:34,370
event kind of I mean there's they're

1604
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:37,430
kind of vague the middle visions are a

1605
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:40,250
little vague right at one point they

1606
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:44,780
were forcibly uh forbidden to have the

1607
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:46,010
vision they were not allowed to go to

1608
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:47,690
where they would normally go and the

1609
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:49,850
vision happened you know at another

1610
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:51,800
place at another time so there was some

1611
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,330
kind of obfuscation the church was

1612
01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:55,280
nervous initially right and the

1613
01:12:59,050 --> 01:12:56,630
authorities were nervous there was a

1614
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:59,060
rumor that Lucia had been thrown in jail

1615
01:13:02,590 --> 01:13:00,380
and the two kids have been thrown in

1616
01:13:04,210 --> 01:13:02,600
jail at one point although now we look

1617
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:04,220
back at the records and we don't see any

1618
01:13:08,710 --> 01:13:06,530
any proof of that but at the point at

1619
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:08,720
one point the rumors spread like

1620
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:10,730
wildfire that the three children had

1621
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:11,960
been arrested by the Portuguese

1622
01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:13,700
authorities for the reasons that I

1623
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:15,020
mentioned this whole church thing was

1624
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:17,210
not happening right right where the

1625
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:18,710
Portuguese government was concerned so

1626
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:21,050
they were essentially thrown into prison

1627
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:22,850
that was the rumor whether it happened

1628
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:25,640
or not right now is debatable but it's

1629
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:29,750
the it's the third secret I think which

1630
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:32,210
becomes the most important aspect of the

1631
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:34,760
story well now we're going to get to the

1632
01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:38,210
third secret here but do you I don't

1633
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:41,000
want to go full negative or full trippy

1634
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:44,270
here but what are the odds of two of

1635
01:13:50,650 --> 01:13:48,290
these three children dying within a

1636
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:50,660
couple of years after what was probably

1637
01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:52,930
one of the most historic events in

1638
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:56,030
history right yeah do you think the

1639
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:57,650
church had anything to do with that do

1640
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,520
you think those kids were taken out well

1641
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:03,440
I mean there was the famous Spanish flu

1642
01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:04,940
epidemic that was going around at the

1643
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:07,160
time that the excuse yes that's the

1644
01:14:12,610 --> 01:14:11,390
excuse that was what was said I think if

1645
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,620
the church was going to take them out

1646
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:14,480
why didn't they take all three right

1647
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:17,060
right you know why why take two and

1648
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:19,250
leave one except at the other two of

1649
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:20,870
course we're not we're cousins

1650
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:22,850
Lucia of course was the central figure

1651
01:14:26,740 --> 01:14:24,650
and she was older

1652
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:26,750
and she was intelligent and she

1653
01:14:31,810 --> 01:14:28,940
understood and she was the key witness

1654
01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:31,820
here but you couldn't have all three

1655
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:33,200
witnesses starting to tell different

1656
01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:35,690
stories right right right right right

1657
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:38,150
right it just feels weird to me I'm just

1658
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:40,130
saying when we go down to coincidences

1659
01:14:47,950 --> 01:14:45,710
right the Pope said so and and it just

1660
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:47,960
it just feels weird what most people

1661
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:50,570
remember Peter about the story they

1662
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:52,490
don't know about the deaths they you

1663
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:54,770
know you have to really go in and check

1664
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:56,570
it out well most people know about the

1665
01:15:01,720 --> 01:14:59,270
story is the event is that three cute

1666
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:01,730
little country kids bumped into the

1667
01:15:06,340 --> 01:15:03,890
Virgin Mary and they got three

1668
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:06,350
prophecies that went to the Vatican and

1669
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:09,590
they were under seal what a great story

1670
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:12,590
like that that's what we know that's the

1671
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:15,050
pop culture version of things and it's

1672
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,050
not even close to the actual events and

1673
01:15:22,990 --> 01:15:20,960
and how this played out no it's not I

1674
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:23,000
mean this is what we were told when I

1675
01:15:26,620 --> 01:15:24,890
was a kid in the 50s you know I keep

1676
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:26,630
saying in the 50s why do I admit to that

1677
01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:28,610
all the time when I was a kid in the 80s

1678
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:31,400
and this is what happened and I was told

1679
01:15:34,510 --> 01:15:32,810
this constantly and you know this was

1680
01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:34,520
the story we had the paintings were

1681
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:36,590
everywhere the little holy cards of the

1682
01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:38,030
three innocent kids of the Virgin Mother

1683
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:40,280
yes you know smiling down and blessing

1684
01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:41,750
them none of that happened

1685
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:43,190
all right right these were these were

1686
01:15:46,780 --> 01:15:45,290
visions that that were sort of weird I

1687
01:15:49,690 --> 01:15:46,790
mean the first ones took place before

1688
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:49,700
the sixth right so divisions were not

1689
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:51,590
even of a woman it was of a male figure

1690
01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:54,620
that just showed up and they later

1691
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,150
referred to him as an angel but they

1692
01:15:59,200 --> 01:15:57,440
didn't refer to him as an angel

1693
01:16:02,050 --> 01:15:59,210
initially no they just said there was

1694
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:02,060
this guy this man showed up and he was

1695
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:05,210
he came out of this this this globe you

1696
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:07,370
know and this the shining glow but he

1697
01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:08,930
was all shining and he came and he told

1698
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,760
them he was very strict with them and

1699
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:12,560
very severe as to what they should do

1700
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:14,450
and they should bow down bow their heads

1701
01:16:18,250 --> 01:16:16,010
to the earth when they prayed and all of

1702
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:18,260
his other stuff right and so they would

1703
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,330
do that you know and then he would

1704
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:23,120
disappear and then only in May did the

1705
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,970
Virgin Mother supposedly start to appear

1706
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:28,400
and Lucia talked about another figure

1707
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:30,650
and she was a little ambiguous about it

1708
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:32,570
at first was it female was it male you

1709
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:34,430
know and eventually she got her story

1710
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:35,690
straight right this is the Blessed

1711
01:16:38,590 --> 01:16:37,640
Virgin Mother don't around you know this

1712
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:38,600
is what it this is all about

1713
01:16:42,460 --> 01:16:40,250
out and what did she say well I'm not

1714
01:16:44,830 --> 01:16:42,470
really quite sure no no she said Russia

1715
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:44,840
right right Rob there's a problem with

1716
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:47,840
Russia here so I think that that's you

1717
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,430
know that's exactly what happened we're

1718
01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:51,280
told something completely different and

1719
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:54,860
back in the 50s you know it was really

1720
01:16:59,740 --> 01:16:56,930
really serious the Russians had just

1721
01:17:01,630 --> 01:16:59,750
gotten the bomb you know the possibility

1722
01:17:03,940 --> 01:17:01,640
of mutual assured destruction was in the

1723
01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:03,950
air people were freaking out this is

1724
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:06,470
even before the Cuban Missile Crisis so

1725
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:09,590
we're talking about you know no internet

1726
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,390
in those days right no way to search

1727
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:13,040
anything all your information came from

1728
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:15,710
the president from the government from J

1729
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:17,540
Edgar Hoover who saw communists

1730
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:20,450
everywhere so you have this this thing

1731
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,130
it was the house on Americans you know

1732
01:17:26,410 --> 01:17:25,040
Activities Committee that was going on

1733
01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:26,420
was putting people in jail for being

1734
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:28,520
suspected communists so you had this

1735
01:17:33,180 --> 01:17:31,190
this extremely tense atmosphere when I

1736
01:17:35,950 --> 01:17:33,190
was growing up so the message we got was

1737
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:35,960
Fatima was like going to save us Fatima

1738
01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:38,690
was about resistance to communism it was

1739
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:40,520
these three innocent children standing

1740
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,250
up to the forces of evil you know and

1741
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,920
you've had to pray to the Blessed Virgin

1742
01:17:51,370 --> 01:17:47,840
Mother of Fatima pray to Our Lady of

1743
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:51,380
Fatima you know do that to the the

1744
01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:53,330
novenas and all of that to her I mean

1745
01:17:58,030 --> 01:17:55,190
this was this is what you grew up with

1746
01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:58,040
everyone took Fatima literally but

1747
01:18:03,160 --> 01:17:59,750
that's what literally happened

1748
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,170
I remember hearing probably about ten

1749
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:05,360
years ago probably on coast to coast or

1750
01:18:11,740 --> 01:18:07,720
something but I remember hearing that

1751
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:11,750
that Jacinta and Francisco had been

1752
01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:14,990
telling their mother they were

1753
01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:16,520
predicting their own deaths

1754
01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:19,580
but they were going to die right and

1755
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:23,000
that that that is pretty trippy and

1756
01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:25,250
again that is something that the Vatican

1757
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,460
doesn't talk about but it just makes me

1758
01:18:32,890 --> 01:18:29,840
feel like these visions and the

1759
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:32,900
prophecies in the future and and and

1760
01:18:37,570 --> 01:18:34,670
everything that we know about that may

1761
01:18:40,739 --> 01:18:37,580
be paranormal or strange I mean these

1762
01:18:43,979 --> 01:18:40,749
actually happened yeah

1763
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:43,989
and to make matters even crazier let's

1764
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:48,610
look at the July 13th 1917 event the vid

1765
01:18:50,660 --> 01:18:50,110
the visitation or apparition of that

1766
01:18:55,709 --> 01:18:50,670
time

1767
01:18:58,379 --> 01:18:55,719
Lucia claims that the Virgin Mother the

1768
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,389
woman told her that she had to repent

1769
01:19:02,879 --> 01:18:59,920
that all people had to repent and make

1770
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:02,889
sacrifice in order to survive what was

1771
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:05,110
going on in the world otherwise God

1772
01:19:11,549 --> 01:19:07,690
would just you know kill them all so

1773
01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:11,559
these children start beating themselves

1774
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:14,860
with metals right they start they start

1775
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:18,610
wearing like belts made of thorns they

1776
01:19:22,739 --> 01:19:21,280
start abstaining from water they don't

1777
01:19:25,169 --> 01:19:22,749
drink water when the days are hot in the

1778
01:19:26,939 --> 01:19:25,179
summer because it's July in Portugal so

1779
01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:26,949
they would they wouldn't drink water

1780
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:28,420
they would do whatever they could to

1781
01:19:33,419 --> 01:19:30,489
force themselves into a state of

1782
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:33,429
abstinence and penance this was like

1783
01:19:37,979 --> 01:19:36,460
Opus Dei Opus Dei stuff right right

1784
01:19:39,899 --> 01:19:37,989
right which is from the same part of the

1785
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,909
world right right so this is the same

1786
01:19:45,689 --> 01:19:42,159
this is this is you know extreme forms

1787
01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:45,699
of self deprivation that these little

1788
01:19:48,689 --> 01:19:46,630
kids are doing

1789
01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:48,699
according to Lucia anyway she says all

1790
01:19:52,259 --> 01:19:50,289
for sure and her two cousins they're all

1791
01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:52,269
doing this together and that at the next

1792
01:19:56,669 --> 01:19:55,300
visit in August of August 13th the

1793
01:19:58,290 --> 01:19:56,679
Virgin Mother was happy that they had

1794
01:20:00,689 --> 01:19:58,300
done that and they were expiating for

1795
01:20:02,879 --> 01:20:00,699
their sins and they got basically an

1796
01:20:04,379 --> 01:20:02,889
attaboy from her and you know and that's

1797
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:04,389
what that's I guess that ended at that

1798
01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:07,510
point after one month so there's some

1799
01:20:10,859 --> 01:20:09,340
really strange stuff going on that a

1800
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,869
couple little kids by themselves would

1801
01:20:14,969 --> 01:20:12,639
never have come up with yeah how did

1802
01:20:16,609 --> 01:20:14,979
they describe how in that first vision

1803
01:20:19,169 --> 01:20:16,619
from July 13th

1804
01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:19,179
well they had you know visions of

1805
01:20:23,339 --> 01:20:21,340
hellfire they had visions of people

1806
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:23,349
dying and people suffering it was this

1807
01:20:28,049 --> 01:20:26,289
vast sea of pain and anguish I mean it

1808
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:28,059
was intense Wow

1809
01:20:33,299 --> 01:20:30,729
and and again could you attribute that

1810
01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:33,309
the the little bend aversion can you

1811
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:36,340
attribute that to maybe what they had

1812
01:20:42,029 --> 01:20:38,409
seen or read in the local papers about

1813
01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:42,039
World War one and and maybe that's maybe

1814
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:44,440
would influence this vision or that they

1815
01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:47,650
were actually shown you know fire and

1816
01:20:51,860 --> 01:20:48,870
brimstone

1817
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:51,870
well I think that in 1917 it did not

1818
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:53,970
take a great leap of imagination to

1819
01:20:57,770 --> 01:20:55,290
imagine all of this right

1820
01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:57,780
right World War one was the war to end

1821
01:21:02,120 --> 01:20:58,440
all wars

1822
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:02,130
it was a savage bloody conflict that

1823
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,870
people were that was being covered in

1824
01:21:07,340 --> 01:21:05,940
the newspapers constantly I think I know

1825
01:21:08,540 --> 01:21:07,350
the kids couldn't read they couldn't

1826
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:08,550
read or write they were illiterate at

1827
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:10,530
the time but their parents certainly

1828
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,600
knew what was going on in fact I think

1829
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:15,120
Lucy his father if I'm not mistaken was

1830
01:21:19,190 --> 01:21:17,460
an atheist he was one of these guys who

1831
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:19,200
was sort of in favor of what the

1832
01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:21,090
Portuguese government was doing against

1833
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:22,950
the church and against religion so he

1834
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,330
might have been somebody who was you

1835
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:26,460
know reading up on all of his stuff and

1836
01:21:31,670 --> 01:21:28,190
saying see this is what happens you know

1837
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:31,680
going on and on about it and they may

1838
01:21:35,650 --> 01:21:33,090
have heard a lot of the fire and

1839
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:35,660
brimstone stuff from from him or

1840
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:37,890
conversely from their mother who might

1841
01:21:42,020 --> 01:21:39,750
have been more pious and more religious

1842
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:42,030
from what I understand and might have

1843
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,070
told him about this as well but it was

1844
01:21:48,020 --> 01:21:46,560
all around you troops were being sent to

1845
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:48,030
fight in this conflict they were coming

1846
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:49,980
back you know and talking about it as

1847
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,920
well so when did Lucia actually have the

1848
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,540
vision of hell did she report it

1849
01:21:59,300 --> 01:21:56,520
immediately or was this one of those

1850
01:22:00,710 --> 01:21:59,310
things that she she discussed later as

1851
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:00,720
part of the three secrets the first

1852
01:22:04,190 --> 01:22:02,070
secret was the vision of hell

1853
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:04,200
the second secret was was the penance

1854
01:22:08,210 --> 01:22:05,880
and the third secret we can get into

1855
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,220
later but this is this wasn't this was

1856
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:10,320
in the air you know and Europe was in a

1857
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,910
constant state of conflict in the

1858
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:13,860
Mediterranean in general was in a

1859
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:16,290
constant state of conflict for decades

1860
01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:18,450
over one problem or another you had the

1861
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,430
Spanish Civil War you know you had the

1862
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:22,800
Portuguese civil war putting in Salazar

1863
01:22:26,690 --> 01:22:24,600
as the leader then of course you had the

1864
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:26,700
rise of Germany and you had you know

1865
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:29,130
Russia you had fascism Italy so you had

1866
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:31,140
constant violence and constant conflict

1867
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:33,090
and they were just there when all that

1868
01:22:37,940 --> 01:22:36,060
was going on basically reporting what

1869
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,950
was happening in the world but turning

1870
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:39,420
it into a prediction saying it was going

1871
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,790
to get worse well I would have put good

1872
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,500
I would have put good money on that you

1873
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:45,780
know bed as well I mean yeah it was

1874
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:47,430
going to get worse right how why was it

1875
01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:49,980
going to get better things on the planet

1876
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:51,480
we're not getting better you know and

1877
01:22:56,150 --> 01:22:54,030
from the perspective of the church in

1878
01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,160
Portugal it could only get worse because

1879
01:23:01,629 --> 01:22:58,980
they were no longer in charge now with

1880
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:01,639
their you know the promise of

1881
01:23:06,459 --> 01:23:04,369
uh the Immaculate Heart would triumph

1882
01:23:09,429 --> 01:23:06,469
right that the Holy Father would

1883
01:23:12,459 --> 01:23:09,439
consecrate Russia and peace would be

1884
01:23:14,770 --> 01:23:12,469
brought to the world and then that was

1885
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:14,780
the second secret but it didn't play out

1886
01:23:21,009 --> 01:23:18,409
that way does that well if not

1887
01:23:25,209 --> 01:23:21,019
technically at least does that play back

1888
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,219
to maybe these kids were overhearing the

1889
01:23:29,770 --> 01:23:27,199
political conversation going on at their

1890
01:23:32,459 --> 01:23:29,780
house or that the Vatican was directly

1891
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:32,469
involved in politics and world events oh

1892
01:23:38,139 --> 01:23:36,050
by the time by the time these secrets

1893
01:23:41,290 --> 01:23:38,149
were written down the church had had

1894
01:23:45,099 --> 01:23:41,300
their their their fingers firmly around

1895
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:45,109
this entire process right so Lucia was

1896
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:46,729
illiterate she couldn't write anything

1897
01:23:51,250 --> 01:23:49,489
down for years so by the time she was

1898
01:23:53,349 --> 01:23:51,260
able to start writing her Diaries that

1899
01:23:55,239 --> 01:23:53,359
her memoirs and actually writing the

1900
01:23:56,829 --> 01:23:55,249
letters that would be the secrets she

1901
01:23:57,849 --> 01:23:56,839
had already been to to the convent she

1902
01:23:59,770 --> 01:23:57,859
already been to school she had already

1903
01:24:02,949 --> 01:23:59,780
been you know completely church' fide

1904
01:24:05,409 --> 01:24:02,959
you know so she was already there I

1905
01:24:07,329 --> 01:24:05,419
think when she initially started talking

1906
01:24:09,579 --> 01:24:07,339
about what she had heard it was very

1907
01:24:11,739 --> 01:24:09,589
vague when the church officials and the

1908
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,749
Church Fathers were interrogating the

1909
01:24:15,339 --> 01:24:13,760
three of them about what they had seen

1910
01:24:17,889 --> 01:24:15,349
what they had her particularly Lucia

1911
01:24:20,829 --> 01:24:17,899
when I read transcripts of that she's

1912
01:24:23,169 --> 01:24:20,839
kind of vague in her statements you know

1913
01:24:25,060 --> 01:24:23,179
so they're saying well maybe she was too

1914
01:24:27,339 --> 01:24:25,070
intimidated by all these adults talking

1915
01:24:29,949 --> 01:24:27,349
to her all these priests talking to her

1916
01:24:31,540 --> 01:24:29,959
maybe she you know forgot what she was

1917
01:24:32,919 --> 01:24:31,550
going to say she forgot what the secrets

1918
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:32,929
were I didn't want to talk about them

1919
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:35,510
they make a lot of excuses for her but

1920
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:37,300
there's no way around the fact that she

1921
01:24:41,829 --> 01:24:40,280
initially did not talk about these

1922
01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:41,839
secrets and did not talk about these

1923
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:43,820
things that she later said were the

1924
01:24:49,689 --> 01:24:46,550
famous three secrets of Fatima where she

1925
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:49,699
um we're going to hit a break here in

1926
01:24:55,029 --> 01:24:51,010
two minutes

1927
01:24:56,949 --> 01:24:55,039
excuse me when she was at and Dorothy it

1928
01:24:59,500 --> 01:24:56,959
is funny saying that when he was that

1929
01:25:01,929 --> 01:24:59,510
Dorothy did she have zero contact with

1930
01:25:03,579 --> 01:25:01,939
the outside world but and you know

1931
01:25:07,419 --> 01:25:03,589
you're not allowed to talk right

1932
01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:07,429
everything is prayer but so no contact

1933
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:09,260
with the outside world at all and her

1934
01:25:14,690 --> 01:25:12,390
only contact was the church

1935
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:14,700
I would say yet her contact with the

1936
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:17,310
outside world was only contact with with

1937
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:18,750
the church that you know people from

1938
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,300
Rome maybe occasionally she had

1939
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:23,280
confessors you know that she talked to

1940
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:25,170
priests who heard her confessions and

1941
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:27,780
all of that and she reported having

1942
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:29,940
other visions and she made these reports

1943
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:33,300
and sent letters she wanted when she was

1944
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:34,710
able to write she would send a letter as

1945
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:36,150
she wanted to let her to go to the Pope

1946
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,150
or to go to the Vatican to somebody

1947
01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:40,560
somebody important she would get a

1948
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:42,030
vision about something and then write

1949
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:43,710
that and mail it right but it wasn't

1950
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:45,330
mailed like we understand she had to

1951
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:47,010
pass the letter to someone who would

1952
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,420
then pick it up and then hand-deliver it

1953
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:50,640
so we don't know how much how much of

1954
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:52,530
that actually got through we don't know

1955
01:25:55,790 --> 01:25:54,120
how much of it was censored you know who

1956
01:25:57,980 --> 01:25:55,800
read the letters before they were

1957
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:57,990
received and in Rome if they actually

1958
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:00,360
were going to Rome so you know sure

1959
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:04,110
contact was pretty limited to church

1960
01:26:10,220 --> 01:26:06,660
officials did she ever meet with the

1961
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,230
Pope oh yeah she dish those are rumors

1962
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:13,440
okay so she did have the secret sit-down

1963
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:16,350
with the Pope allegedly to reveal these

1964
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:19,860
secrets and the actual the real part of

1965
01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:22,470
each one of these secrets was revealed

1966
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:26,340
only to the Pope she wrote down the

1967
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:28,500
third secret you know in writing right

1968
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:30,690
ah it doesn't this was cheap she

1969
01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:33,450
insisted that this had to be published

1970
01:26:38,660 --> 01:26:36,990
into the world before 1960 which the

1971
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:38,670
Third Secret was the important one and

1972
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:40,380
and we'll talk about that right after

1973
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:42,810
the break so she has a sit-down with the

1974
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:45,150
Pope she wrote out everything in advance

1975
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:47,580
and then sat down we're going to talk

1976
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:49,440
about the Third Secret which is the one

1977
01:26:54,620 --> 01:26:52,230
that everybody know we'll find out when

1978
01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:54,630
we go back with Peter Levin des we're

1979
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:55,860
going to talk to the Third Secret of

1980
01:26:58,340 --> 01:26:56,820
fátima

1981
01:26:59,780 --> 01:26:58,350
this is fade to black I'm arrows to be

1982
01:27:05,900 --> 01:26:59,790
Church more Peter right after this break

1983
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:15,700
[Music]

1984
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:18,910
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1985
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:23,190
you're listening to fade to black always

1986
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:25,230
on the edge of the hottest alternative

1987
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John chili church with fade to black kg

1988
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,060
are a radio calm let me go just let me

1989
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:37,920
what on using krishna but okay so jumpy

1990
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what amigo Jimmy's church radio end time

1991
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1992
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1995
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1996
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2032
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2034
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:28,800
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2035
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,690
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2036
01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:32,100
to you how you feel when you get there

2037
01:29:36,650 --> 01:29:33,510
get started today

2038
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nature's youth RSF simple to use simple

2039
01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:38,850
to order go to nature's youth calm

2040
01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:41,550
that's nature's youth calm nature's

2041
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,860
youth calm you and listening to fade to

2042
01:29:54,230 --> 01:29:49,440
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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

2044
01:29:59,210 --> 01:29:56,250
listening to me church this is

2045
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2046
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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Music]

2048
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:48,430
all right welcome back fade to black our

2049
01:30:51,550 --> 01:30:50,510
guest tonight Peter Levin de we're

2050
01:30:56,169 --> 01:30:51,560
talking about the hundredth anniversary

2051
01:30:59,020 --> 01:30:56,179
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now Peter one of the things about Fatima

2064
01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:31,850
that needs to be asked could this have

2065
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:37,790
been a true UFO contact right sighting

2066
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:40,730
an event and the Vatican knew that and

2067
01:31:49,169 --> 01:31:45,520
spun it into a religious political event

2068
01:31:53,979 --> 01:31:49,179
well look at it from this point of view

2069
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:53,989
haven't UFO events in the the later part

2070
01:31:58,720 --> 01:31:56,960
of the 20th century been used for

2071
01:32:00,160 --> 01:31:58,730
political events for political purposes

2072
01:32:01,780 --> 01:32:00,170
absolutely yes

2073
01:32:02,890 --> 01:32:01,790
I mean you take Roswell is a very good

2074
01:32:05,459 --> 01:32:02,900
example we don't know what really

2075
01:32:08,590 --> 01:32:05,469
happened there but the the amount of

2076
01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:08,600
smoke that went around that you know the

2077
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:10,310
whole weather balloon thing and mogul

2078
01:32:14,380 --> 01:32:12,170
and all the rest of it all the stuff

2079
01:32:16,990 --> 01:32:14,390
that went around that as an example as a

2080
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:17,000
general example or a lot of UFO

2081
01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:19,370
sightings that have been declared to be

2082
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,550
you know secret weapons testing or maybe

2083
01:32:26,590 --> 01:32:24,320
it was the Russians or something so

2084
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:26,600
there was always this idea that you know

2085
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:28,550
if you could use a sighting like that

2086
01:32:32,740 --> 01:32:30,890
for political purposes you would we

2087
01:32:34,419 --> 01:32:32,750
learned that you know we did that as

2088
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:34,429
much as we had to during the Cold War

2089
01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:37,370
particularly so what was happening in

2090
01:32:41,770 --> 01:32:39,350
Portugal at that time might have been

2091
01:32:44,620 --> 01:32:41,780
exactly the same thing a UFO event of

2092
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:44,630
some kind and the church must be a good

2093
01:32:49,090 --> 01:32:47,390
repository of these UFO events there

2094
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:49,100
must be an archive on this because they

2095
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:50,900
have people all over the world it's

2096
01:32:54,729 --> 01:32:52,520
probably the largest corporation on the

2097
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,739
face of the earth they have people in

2098
01:32:58,720 --> 01:32:56,719
every single country and we know that

2099
01:32:59,450 --> 01:32:58,730
you know UFO sightings are taking place

2100
01:33:01,340 --> 01:32:59,460
in every single

2101
01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:01,350
country and there they would be cited by

2102
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:05,310
Catholics among other people and you

2103
01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:06,540
know reports would eventually filter

2104
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:08,150
back maybe they would be understood as

2105
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:10,890
spiritual events by some people right so

2106
01:33:13,940 --> 01:33:12,300
this would get reported back and the

2107
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:13,950
church would be a repository of this

2108
01:33:19,340 --> 01:33:16,530
they would have had roughly 2,000 years

2109
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:19,350
to figure out how to use right a UFO

2110
01:33:24,740 --> 01:33:21,570
event for their own purposes yeah angels

2111
01:33:28,370 --> 01:33:24,750
gods from the heavens with instructions

2112
01:33:31,729 --> 01:33:28,380
and knowledge and everything else they

2113
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:31,739
would have been quite rehearsed in

2114
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:34,020
something like this they probably have a

2115
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:36,450
script written on how to respond and

2116
01:33:44,060 --> 01:33:40,560
Fatima just it just feels it feels that

2117
01:33:47,180 --> 01:33:44,070
way so okay so moving in let's get to

2118
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:47,190
this the third secret the famous third

2119
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:51,090
secret I feel that there are two

2120
01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:52,770
versions of this I think there's one

2121
01:33:58,130 --> 01:33:54,840
that we still don't know the real third

2122
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:58,140
secret but let's go to the official

2123
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:01,020
version what was the third secret the

2124
01:34:06,740 --> 01:34:04,170
official version was pretty hideous it

2125
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:06,750
had to deal with angels with flaming

2126
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:11,400
swords and yelling repent repent but the

2127
01:34:18,380 --> 01:34:14,790
the core image of the Third Secret was

2128
01:34:21,170 --> 01:34:18,390
the murder of a pope and not just the

2129
01:34:24,260 --> 01:34:21,180
Pope at a massacre of the Pope and other

2130
01:34:26,420 --> 01:34:24,270
bishops and priests and faithful by some

2131
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:26,430
hideous evil force and that was a

2132
01:34:28,780 --> 01:34:27,900
prediction of something that would come

2133
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:28,790
to pass

2134
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:31,170
Lucia said this was something was going

2135
01:34:38,209 --> 01:34:34,410
to happen and that's why she said by

2136
01:34:41,450 --> 01:34:38,219
1960 in some cases people say she said

2137
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:41,460
not before 1960 in other cases she said

2138
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:43,770
by 1960 the secret should be revealed

2139
01:34:49,580 --> 01:34:46,320
and for whatever reason now think about

2140
01:34:50,630 --> 01:34:49,590
this this is Lucia with her direct line

2141
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:50,640
to the Virgin Mother

2142
01:34:57,740 --> 01:34:54,719
right telling the church 1960 time's up

2143
01:35:00,979 --> 01:34:57,750
reveal the secret and in 1960 the

2144
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:00,989
Vatican says I don't think so and they

2145
01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:03,480
don't and they say we have no you know

2146
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:05,310
expectation of revealing the secret

2147
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:08,370
anytime soon so for the next forty years

2148
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:11,940
that secret remains sealed until about

2149
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:12,840
the year

2150
01:35:18,710 --> 01:35:16,560
and when a version anyway of that secret

2151
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:18,720
is revealed and that is this massacre of

2152
01:35:24,650 --> 01:35:22,560
of the of clergy including the Pope a

2153
01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:24,660
major you know like the last Pope

2154
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:29,630
basically and which was done on May 13th

2155
01:35:37,220 --> 01:35:32,010
at the year 2000

2156
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:37,230
well May 13th 1981 a Turkish guy

2157
01:35:44,660 --> 01:35:42,330
Muhammad Ali Aqsa fires his pistol into

2158
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:44,670
the Pope at that time john paul ii in

2159
01:35:51,740 --> 01:35:46,620
the middle of st. Peter's Square in Rome

2160
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:51,750
on May 13th 1981 now we fall back a

2161
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:55,080
little bit Pius the 12th Pope Pius the

2162
01:36:01,010 --> 01:35:57,480
12th was consecrated a bishop on May

2163
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,020
13th he's believed to be kind of the

2164
01:36:06,170 --> 01:36:03,060
Fatima Pope because he really did

2165
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:06,180
believe in Fatima and to a large extent

2166
01:36:10,190 --> 01:36:08,340
he was a total believer in it and I

2167
01:36:12,860 --> 01:36:10,200
believe I'm not mistaken he died on

2168
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:12,870
October 13th as well so or buried on

2169
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:14,610
that day so you have this Fatima

2170
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:16,020
connection with one of the Pope's Pope

2171
01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:18,330
Pius the 12th and he was the guy who cut

2172
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:19,740
the deals with the Nazis and stuff to

2173
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:22,560
fight against the the Communists now you

2174
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:24,690
had John Paul the second who's famous

2175
01:36:29,420 --> 01:36:27,420
for fighting against the communists

2176
01:36:31,610 --> 01:36:29,430
right he's the guy who was you know

2177
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:31,620
throwing his weight behind salida notion

2178
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:34,110
in poland the the union's like Valencia

2179
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:35,820
the guys who are fighting against the

2180
01:36:44,330 --> 01:36:38,340
Soviet Union he was really a very vocal

2181
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:44,340
opponent of communism now 1981 is very

2182
01:36:48,740 --> 01:36:46,770
interesting because during that year we

2183
01:36:50,890 --> 01:36:48,750
have the revelations concerning a

2184
01:36:52,850 --> 01:36:50,900
Masonic Lodge called propaganda Dewey

2185
01:36:55,550 --> 01:36:52,860
which was this weird

2186
01:36:57,710 --> 01:36:55,560
t-too Lodge they were kind of Masons

2187
01:36:59,150 --> 01:36:57,720
kind of not the actual Masons say oh

2188
01:37:01,150 --> 01:36:59,160
they really weren't one of our lodges

2189
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:01,160
we're not quite sure we believe that and

2190
01:37:06,190 --> 01:37:03,930
it was composed primarily of very

2191
01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:06,200
influential politicians military men and

2192
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:08,580
intelligence agents and they were all

2193
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:10,890
working against communism right

2194
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:12,660
they were infiltrating organizations

2195
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,430
communist groups socialist groups in

2196
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:16,560
Europe and Latin America even in the

2197
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:18,060
United States they were conducting

2198
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:19,770
assassinations at times they were

2199
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:21,750
laundering money all this stuff was

2200
01:37:26,990 --> 01:37:25,260
going on John Paul the first

2201
01:37:29,569 --> 01:37:27,000
found out about it and found out that

2202
01:37:31,759 --> 01:37:29,579
even some Cardinals were involved with

2203
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:31,769
this Masonic Lodge now if you remember

2204
01:37:35,660 --> 01:37:34,050
as a Catholic growing up you could not

2205
01:37:37,939 --> 01:37:35,670
you're not allowed to become a freemason

2206
01:37:39,589 --> 01:37:37,949
right right that was bitten to you as a

2207
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:39,599
Catholic you could not be involved with

2208
01:37:43,459 --> 01:37:41,460
them at all probably goes back to the

2209
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:43,469
Knights Templar thing and all of that so

2210
01:37:45,379 --> 01:37:44,699
you could not get involved with the

2211
01:37:48,109 --> 01:37:45,389
Freemasons

2212
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:48,119
so when Pope John Paul the first found

2213
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:50,369
out about this he blew his top and he

2214
01:37:53,089 --> 01:37:51,510
said we're going to clean this whole

2215
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:53,099
mess up we're going to close down

2216
01:37:57,049 --> 01:37:55,199
propoganda do way that Masonic Lodge

2217
01:37:58,339 --> 01:37:57,059
we're also going to see what's going on

2218
01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:58,349
with the Vatican Bank because there's

2219
01:38:00,350 --> 01:37:59,940
something really strange going on with

2220
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:00,360
the money

2221
01:38:06,859 --> 01:38:03,289
and within 30 33 days he was dead right

2222
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:06,869
what was the guy the head of the Vatican

2223
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,010
Bank what was his name

2224
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:11,280
March incus aw man a merit the American

2225
01:38:17,029 --> 01:38:14,449
priest yep who what a dude really

2226
01:38:19,129 --> 01:38:17,039
interesting guy very interesting I've

2227
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:19,139
seen a couple of documentaries on him

2228
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:21,449
over the years to me he retired in Palm

2229
01:38:25,759 --> 01:38:24,210
Springs am i right yeah no he retired to

2230
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:25,769
the state's he's back in the states he

2231
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:27,300
was supposed to been arrested and thrown

2232
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:29,369
in jail right of his life right but he

2233
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:32,250
cut some deal man and he walked home and

2234
01:38:37,879 --> 01:38:34,199
the Vatican Bank was as crooked as

2235
01:38:40,430 --> 01:38:37,889
anything anyway okay so moving hot yeah

2236
01:38:42,020 --> 01:38:40,440
right so so posted out of context oh now

2237
01:38:43,939 --> 01:38:42,030
John Paul the first John Paul the first

2238
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,949
is dead he only lasted like I say a

2239
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:45,480
little bit more than a month and didn't

2240
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:48,480
he die he died in bed right he died in

2241
01:38:52,939 --> 01:38:50,880
bed right yeah there's no there's a lot

2242
01:38:54,529 --> 01:38:52,949
of speculation of them right now he was

2243
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:54,539
like you know he was taken out as the

2244
01:39:00,560 --> 01:38:57,840
Vatican Bank that whole thing you know

2245
01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:00,570
what a lightning bolt is going to strike

2246
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,760
right through to the bunker I'm gonna

2247
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:04,800
get taken out here if I keep this up but

2248
01:39:11,899 --> 01:39:07,650
but but that's exactly how it went down

2249
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:11,909
in 1981 is and again you have to go and

2250
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:15,329
research this stuff it's not out in in

2251
01:39:21,740 --> 01:39:18,659
in front you have to go and dam for this

2252
01:39:23,839 --> 01:39:21,750
it is one of the craziest conspiracies

2253
01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:23,849
ever you know conspiracy to more people

2254
01:39:29,959 --> 01:39:27,239
to compared to commit a crime you go

2255
01:39:32,540 --> 01:39:29,969
look at the Vatican Bank and and and

2256
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:32,550
look how it went down and then Pope John

2257
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,210
Paul dies in his bed a healthy

2258
01:39:42,109 --> 01:39:38,639
reading a book

2259
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,119
a fighter and it's how they find him

2260
01:39:45,529 --> 01:39:44,639
okay so I wouldn't doubt that this is

2261
01:39:49,009 --> 01:39:45,539
all connected

2262
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:49,019
okay so Pope John Paul dies in bed Pope

2263
01:39:53,239 --> 01:39:51,300
John Paul the second takes over that's

2264
01:39:54,409 --> 01:39:53,249
what tila right that's the Polish place

2265
01:39:57,979 --> 01:39:54,419
so the first time they're going to make

2266
01:39:59,479 --> 01:39:57,989
a Polish a bishop a Polish priest the

2267
01:40:02,029 --> 01:39:59,489
Pope of the Roman Catholic Church and

2268
01:40:04,429 --> 01:40:02,039
why because the church now is at the

2269
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:04,439
very edge of its patients regarding

2270
01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:06,300
communism right they want to defend the

2271
01:40:10,399 --> 01:40:07,739
Catholics in Poland but throughout

2272
01:40:11,629 --> 01:40:10,409
Eastern Europe and John Paul the second

2273
01:40:13,429 --> 01:40:11,639
is going to be their frontman he's the

2274
01:40:15,859 --> 01:40:13,439
guy who's going to do this this is the

2275
01:40:17,689 --> 01:40:15,869
all-out war now against the Soviet Union

2276
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:17,699
because who got elected in the United

2277
01:40:23,839 --> 01:40:20,639
States in the end of 1980 who is now you

2278
01:40:25,339 --> 01:40:23,849
know I curated in 1981 is Ronald Reagan

2279
01:40:26,839 --> 01:40:25,349
right and he's the guy who's going to

2280
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:26,849
say you know mr. Gorbachev tear down

2281
01:40:31,580 --> 01:40:28,649
this wall he's the guy who calls the

2282
01:40:34,459 --> 01:40:31,590
Soviet Union the evil empire and in fact

2283
01:40:35,959 --> 01:40:34,469
Reagan believes in apocalyptic visions

2284
01:40:37,699 --> 01:40:35,969
he believes that you know there were at

2285
01:40:39,979 --> 01:40:37,709
the the end of days I mean it was coming

2286
01:40:41,719 --> 01:40:39,989
up right he belonged to a particular

2287
01:40:44,029 --> 01:40:41,729
religious sect he wasn't a Catholic but

2288
01:40:45,589 --> 01:40:44,039
he was on the same page with the church

2289
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:45,599
where communism was concerned so

2290
01:40:50,689 --> 01:40:47,699
suddenly you have all this going on and

2291
01:40:54,529 --> 01:40:50,699
you have the Russians who've invaded

2292
01:40:57,139 --> 01:40:54,539
Afghanistan and who's in charge of the

2293
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:57,149
CIA at this time as John Paul the second

2294
01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:00,719
is taking over - well in that Bush not

2295
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:03,179
yet Oh William William Casey Oh William

2296
01:41:07,909 --> 01:41:06,329
Casey oh that's right the Catholic

2297
01:41:10,429 --> 01:41:07,919
Knights of Malta the whole nine yards

2298
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:10,439
and now didn't somebody take a crack at

2299
01:41:14,899 --> 01:41:12,570
Pope John Paul the second wasn't there

2300
01:41:16,909 --> 01:41:14,909
an assassination attempt that's that's

2301
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:16,919
it and it happened on May 13th right

2302
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,550
right of course now the guy who shoots

2303
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,639
him yeah exactly

2304
01:41:28,879 --> 01:41:25,199
the guy who shoots jump all the second

2305
01:41:30,649 --> 01:41:28,889
as a Turk magnet Ali Aqsa we don't know

2306
01:41:32,089 --> 01:41:30,659
who he was working for because every

2307
01:41:32,839 --> 01:41:32,099
time they asked him he because he told a

2308
01:41:36,469 --> 01:41:32,849
different story

2309
01:41:38,569 --> 01:41:36,479
the CIA was convinced that he shot at

2310
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:38,579
the Pope on the instigation of the

2311
01:41:43,279 --> 01:41:41,340
Soviet Union of the KGB there was a lot

2312
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:43,289
of KGB around there there was Bulgarians

2313
01:41:48,919 --> 01:41:46,169
involved in that story the story was

2314
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:48,929
that you know john paul ii was such an

2315
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:51,840
enemy of communism such a threat poland

2316
01:41:54,979 --> 01:41:52,679
was in danger of

2317
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:54,989
completely falling apart the KGB knew it

2318
01:41:58,520 --> 01:41:56,670
but they were going to lose Poland at

2319
01:42:01,040 --> 01:41:58,530
any moment so the only thing they could

2320
01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:01,050
possibly think to do was to kill the

2321
01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:03,900
Pope right that was that was the story

2322
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:06,119
that was being floated around but there

2323
01:42:10,459 --> 01:42:07,679
was an interesting story about our

2324
01:42:12,739 --> 01:42:10,469
friend Mehmed Ali Aqsa and that is he

2325
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:12,749
belonged to a group of Turks called the

2326
01:42:20,569 --> 01:42:16,320
gray wolves and the gray wolves were

2327
01:42:22,910 --> 01:42:20,579
this intense pro-fascist anti-communist

2328
01:42:24,529 --> 01:42:22,920
group in Turkey they were also anti

2329
01:42:26,929 --> 01:42:24,539
Kurdish they were anti a lot of things

2330
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:26,939
so these were like extreme right-wing

2331
01:42:32,989 --> 01:42:29,369
pro-nazi with some former SS members

2332
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:32,999
involved in this and why would they want

2333
01:42:37,429 --> 01:42:35,570
to kill probably the best you know

2334
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:37,439
anti-communist leader they ever had

2335
01:42:41,959 --> 01:42:39,900
there was something really strange about

2336
01:42:43,879 --> 01:42:41,969
this relationship something very

2337
01:42:46,429 --> 01:42:43,889
mysterious about it and then you dig a

2338
01:42:47,929 --> 01:42:46,439
little deeper and you found out that the

2339
01:42:51,399 --> 01:42:47,939
gray wolves were part of something

2340
01:42:52,699 --> 01:42:51,409
called counter-guerrilla in Turkey and

2341
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:52,709
counter-guerrilla

2342
01:42:55,699 --> 01:42:54,150
I know it's too many dots here this is

2343
01:42:58,069 --> 01:42:55,709
getting a little confusing but

2344
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:58,079
counter-guerrilla actually was a unit of

2345
01:43:04,669 --> 01:43:01,739
operation Gladio which was the stay

2346
01:43:06,739 --> 01:43:04,679
behind units that were designed to fight

2347
01:43:08,569 --> 01:43:06,749
guerrilla warfare against the communists

2348
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:08,579
had the communists gotten into the rest

2349
01:43:14,739 --> 01:43:12,530
of europe so this was funded by NATO and

2350
01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:14,749
counter-guerrilla still exists today

2351
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:17,900
Dooney really where where are they based

2352
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:21,449
Turkey still okay still in Turkey that's

2353
01:43:23,449 --> 01:43:23,070
counter-guerrilla but Gladio is all over

2354
01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:23,459
the place

2355
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:26,670
but the Turkish operation still works

2356
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:28,050
today with the United States government

2357
01:43:33,339 --> 01:43:30,420
and military they're they're part of

2358
01:43:35,149 --> 01:43:33,349
their kind of a shadow part of NATO and

2359
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:35,159
they're involved in a lot of

2360
01:43:40,129 --> 01:43:37,110
skullduggery and it was because of

2361
01:43:41,719 --> 01:43:40,139
counter-guerrilla many of your listeners

2362
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:41,729
may already know this I don't know but

2363
01:43:46,969 --> 01:43:43,920
it was the Turkish branch it was the

2364
01:43:50,989 --> 01:43:46,979
gray wolves counter-guerrilla that gave

2365
01:43:52,879 --> 01:43:50,999
rise to the term the deep state oh no no

2366
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:52,889
no no okay keep going I'm going to

2367
01:43:57,589 --> 01:43:55,260
confirm that I got a vet I'm gonna bet

2368
01:44:01,069 --> 01:43:57,599
you right now Peter go right away that

2369
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,079
vet erisa so the deep state term was

2370
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:03,360
created in Turkey to refer to this kind

2371
01:44:06,700 --> 01:44:05,400
of operation because they believed that

2372
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:06,710
elements of the middle

2373
01:44:10,750 --> 01:44:08,810
Terry and Turkish intelligence were in

2374
01:44:12,130 --> 01:44:10,760
bed with some drug dealers and assassins

2375
01:44:13,690 --> 01:44:12,140
and everything else and they were

2376
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:13,700
actually running the country

2377
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:16,850
below the radar of the elected officials

2378
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:17,930
and the the official government

2379
01:44:21,700 --> 01:44:19,910
personnel that they were doing their own

2380
01:44:23,260 --> 01:44:21,710
thing they didn't much care so

2381
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:23,270
politicians when they came into power

2382
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,370
started talking about what they called

2383
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:27,440
the deep state and the deep state were

2384
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,800
these guys part of Gladio which a lot of

2385
01:44:34,150 --> 01:44:32,719
your listeners would recognize operation

2386
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:34,160
Claudio right away because it's been

2387
01:44:39,610 --> 01:44:36,410
talked about it was under the Truman

2388
01:44:42,580 --> 01:44:39,620
Doctrine that we leave people behind in

2389
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:42,590
Europe armed and trained and secret

2390
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,570
ready to fight against the communists

2391
01:44:48,850 --> 01:44:45,920
should the Russians pour over the

2392
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:48,860
borders into Western Europe what was it

2393
01:44:55,780 --> 01:44:51,710
it wasn't just a plot of godfather 3

2394
01:44:57,850 --> 01:44:55,790
yeah there you go 3 about the bank

2395
01:44:59,650 --> 01:44:57,860
it's about March incus Micheli Sindona

2396
01:45:01,570 --> 01:44:59,660
Frankel Rossano

2397
01:45:03,250 --> 01:45:01,580
etc etc and the Mafia and all the rest

2398
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:03,260
of it absolutely and I'm reading deep

2399
01:45:07,690 --> 01:45:04,850
state right here with the gray wolves

2400
01:45:09,850 --> 01:45:07,700
I'm Claudia I'm impressed Peter ok we

2401
01:45:12,630 --> 01:45:09,860
can move on you've been vetted Ivan

2402
01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:12,640
vetted ok yes well done well played

2403
01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:15,320
so this is where we get the term we're

2404
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,910
all using the term these days the deep

2405
01:45:21,190 --> 01:45:19,280
stake but it really came from Turkey it

2406
01:45:22,510 --> 01:45:21,200
traces right back to the gray wolves it

2407
01:45:26,350 --> 01:45:22,520
traces back to the attempted

2408
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:26,360
assassination of john paul ii now john

2409
01:45:31,540 --> 01:45:28,489
paul ii as we know survived that

2410
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:31,550
assassination attempt he kept the bullet

2411
01:45:37,150 --> 01:45:35,510
and he took that bullet to Portugal he

2412
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:37,160
took it to the chapel of Our Lady of

2413
01:45:44,050 --> 01:45:41,570
Fatima and laid it on the altar because

2414
01:45:46,450 --> 01:45:44,060
he said it was the Lady of Fatima that

2415
01:45:49,150 --> 01:45:46,460
protected him and it was that that was

2416
01:45:52,090 --> 01:45:49,160
in the third secret that a pope was

2417
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:52,100
going to get assassinated and it didn't

2418
01:45:57,070 --> 01:45:54,770
happen and he believed that the Lady of

2419
01:46:00,340 --> 01:45:57,080
Fatima protected him and saved him from

2420
01:46:05,470 --> 01:46:00,350
that secret being fulfilled propaganda

2421
01:46:08,350 --> 01:46:06,670
nothing to say on that I don't want to

2422
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:08,360
alienate too many of your listener you

2423
01:46:15,490 --> 01:46:10,970
can alienate right away I mean you know

2424
01:46:17,290 --> 01:46:15,500
I mean what what I it was sincere to a

2425
01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:17,300
point but the thing that happened on May

2426
01:46:26,740 --> 01:46:20,390
13th for crying out loud they yeah well

2427
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:26,750
how do you how do you confirm a prophet

2428
01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:30,530
or prophesy and make yourself solid then

2429
01:46:36,930 --> 01:46:33,340
prove that a prophecy has come to pass

2430
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:36,940
then by pulling it off right and now

2431
01:46:43,690 --> 01:46:41,510
suddenly the Vatican is propped up well

2432
01:46:46,210 --> 01:46:43,700
exactly suddenly pope john paul ii

2433
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:46,220
becomes this this hero yes he survived

2434
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:47,930
this assassination attempt and then he

2435
01:46:51,700 --> 01:46:49,730
goes to the jail and forgives his

2436
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:51,710
assassin right yep I mean what better

2437
01:46:56,530 --> 01:46:54,320
photo-op could you have you know and

2438
01:46:59,170 --> 01:46:56,540
there's the assassin he fired like like

2439
01:47:00,910 --> 01:46:59,180
I forget how many shots I think one or

2440
01:47:03,070 --> 01:47:00,920
two only before he was you know struggle

2441
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:03,080
to the ground you know they told him to

2442
01:47:10,030 --> 01:47:04,970
you know drop the gun and take the

2443
01:47:11,979 --> 01:47:10,040
cannoli I guess I but but they do pick

2444
01:47:13,180 --> 01:47:11,989
him up and he goes to jail he goes to

2445
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:13,190
prison for a while and he tells

2446
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:15,230
different stories he tells the other

2447
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,970
Graywolf story well they know he was a

2448
01:47:20,290 --> 01:47:18,560
member of the gray wolves that was never

2449
01:47:23,380 --> 01:47:20,300
in any doubt he was a member of that

2450
01:47:26,530 --> 01:47:23,390
fascist organization but then he's

2451
01:47:28,150 --> 01:47:26,540
telling the KGB's story right and then

2452
01:47:30,610 --> 01:47:28,160
at the end the Pope goes to visit him

2453
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,620
again just before he's let out I guess

2454
01:47:34,270 --> 01:47:32,239
they're going to send him back to to

2455
01:47:36,729 --> 01:47:34,280
Turkey and he's still alive as far as I

2456
01:47:38,979 --> 01:47:36,739
know and the story he tells at that

2457
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:38,989
point was that he was told to

2458
01:47:46,510 --> 01:47:41,570
assassinate the Pope by the Ayatollah

2459
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:46,520
Khomeini of Iran so that was the most

2460
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:49,010
recent tale overall this is concerned

2461
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:50,810
now you have three different stories

2462
01:47:55,090 --> 01:47:52,880
none of them make any sense right it

2463
01:47:57,660 --> 01:47:55,100
sounds like the fix is in if you if you

2464
01:48:00,910 --> 01:47:57,670
ask me right he was a setup he was a

2465
01:48:03,130 --> 01:48:00,920
paid assassin he was paid to do this by

2466
01:48:04,330 --> 01:48:03,140
somebody and if he really was and we

2467
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,340
know he was member of the gray wolves

2468
01:48:09,090 --> 01:48:07,280
this possibly would have been a CIA

2469
01:48:11,979 --> 01:48:09,100
operation because the gray wolves

2470
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:11,989
encountered gorillas in Turkey were all

2471
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:13,850
part of in our organization that was

2472
01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:15,830
totally infiltrated and manipulated

2473
01:48:19,330 --> 01:48:18,200
openly by CIA and by the American

2474
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:19,340
military in

2475
01:48:23,020 --> 01:48:21,530
turkey as you know a bulwark against the

2476
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:23,030
Russians who were on their border so

2477
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:27,050
this makes sense as a CIA op maybe they

2478
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,210
gave him a gun that was faulty maybe

2479
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:31,520
maybe the Pope was wearing a bulletproof

2480
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:34,730
vest or who knows but it was had to be

2481
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:37,810
on May 13th because the the Fatima

2482
01:48:42,879 --> 01:48:40,250
prediction was very much a part of this

2483
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:42,889
story it was very much important and

2484
01:48:47,890 --> 01:48:45,250
Fatima was the beginning of the church

2485
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,900
fighting against communism fighting

2486
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,520
specifically against Russian style

2487
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:51,199
communism this was the beginning this is

2488
01:48:57,820 --> 01:48:54,830
how it all was born it was born in 1917

2489
01:48:59,979 --> 01:48:57,830
with three little kids at a UFO event

2490
01:49:01,959 --> 01:48:59,989
and manipulated to the point where

2491
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:01,969
suddenly the church and the fascists to

2492
01:49:05,290 --> 01:49:03,440
the anti-communist the Nazis and

2493
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:05,300
everybody else all got together to fight

2494
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:09,199
the Soviet Union and 1981 May 13th was

2495
01:49:14,339 --> 01:49:11,510
sort of the culmination of all that it's

2496
01:49:17,410 --> 01:49:14,349
fascinating stuff it is it is and and

2497
01:49:19,899 --> 01:49:17,420
what if now this is I'm just going to be

2498
01:49:22,209 --> 01:49:19,909
devil's advocate here that all of this

2499
01:49:24,879 --> 01:49:22,219
happened just like you just played it

2500
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:24,889
out right at well it did but what I mean

2501
01:49:32,290 --> 01:49:29,330
is for the Third Secret as presented to

2502
01:49:34,810 --> 01:49:32,300
us by the Vatican but could all of it be

2503
01:49:38,050 --> 01:49:34,820
fictitious I mean all the events happen

2504
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:38,060
but I'm saying that we haven't seen the

2505
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:42,080
handwritten third secret from Lucia have

2506
01:49:47,229 --> 01:49:44,449
not seen that do you think that there is

2507
01:49:50,890 --> 01:49:47,239
a third secret prophecy that the Vatican

2508
01:49:54,339 --> 01:49:50,900
is sitting on that that is the real

2509
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:54,349
third secret that's been the rumor for

2510
01:49:59,560 --> 01:49:56,690
ever for a very long time right and a

2511
01:50:01,689 --> 01:49:59,570
lot of even Catholic authors have said

2512
01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:01,699
the same thing even people in the clergy

2513
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:04,520
have said that the the third secret the

2514
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:07,010
secret was never published the church

2515
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:09,770
insists officially that it was they had

2516
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:11,449
copies of the handwritten it wasn't

2517
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:13,010
handwritten by Lucia was handwritten I

2518
01:50:17,740 --> 01:50:15,770
believe by one of the the other priests

2519
01:50:21,580 --> 01:50:17,750
that she was being debriefed by I guess

2520
01:50:23,229 --> 01:50:21,590
if I call it but that was published that

2521
01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:23,239
was made available well we don't know if

2522
01:50:26,649 --> 01:50:24,860
that's really all that there is to it

2523
01:50:28,689 --> 01:50:26,659
it's bizarre enough in and of itself

2524
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:28,699
this weird you know mass assassination

2525
01:50:33,459 --> 01:50:31,280
of Catholic clergy including the Pope is

2526
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:33,469
weird enough but could there be more or

2527
01:50:38,549 --> 01:50:33,679
may

2528
01:50:40,689 --> 01:50:38,559
secret is something else now Lucia died

2529
01:50:43,449 --> 01:50:40,699
relatively recently I believe she died

2530
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:43,459
in 2007 not mistaken she was almost 100

2531
01:50:49,649 --> 01:50:46,280
years old and she has a photograph of

2532
01:50:52,750 --> 01:50:49,659
herself taken with John Paul the second

2533
01:50:54,850 --> 01:50:52,760
he went to visit her so I don't know

2534
01:50:57,279 --> 01:50:54,860
what they talked about I don't know if

2535
01:50:59,259 --> 01:50:57,289
she really validated that this was the

2536
01:51:01,359 --> 01:50:59,269
third secret or not it's claimed that

2537
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:01,369
she did in a couple of newspaper reports

2538
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,070
but since she's been so cloistered all

2539
01:51:08,830 --> 01:51:06,320
her life and no one was allowed to get

2540
01:51:10,179 --> 01:51:08,840
close to her we really don't know if

2541
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:10,189
what she said is what she really

2542
01:51:14,919 --> 01:51:11,840
believed you know if she was being

2543
01:51:16,929 --> 01:51:14,929
quoted accurately or anything else and

2544
01:51:18,669 --> 01:51:16,939
she left behind a lot of writings when

2545
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:18,679
she first learned how to write she wrote

2546
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:21,050
a lot about all of this material about

2547
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:23,090
her visions and all the rest of it but

2548
01:51:27,069 --> 01:51:24,800
we don't really know we don't know if

2549
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:27,079
someone else has been you know was ghost

2550
01:51:30,910 --> 01:51:29,209
writing for her and you know managing

2551
01:51:32,679 --> 01:51:30,920
the the message we simply don't know we

2552
01:51:35,140 --> 01:51:32,689
don't have enough to go on we just said

2553
01:51:37,719 --> 01:51:35,150
that the church's word that the Third

2554
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:37,729
Secret as published by them is truly the

2555
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:39,170
third secret and there's nothing else to

2556
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:41,030
see here it's all over now

2557
01:51:46,779 --> 01:51:43,820
what's the Peter Levin de summary on it

2558
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:46,789
what's your take and what I mean what's

2559
01:51:56,589 --> 01:51:53,360
your real gut on Fatima today well you

2560
01:51:59,229 --> 01:51:56,599
know on May 13th this year I believe

2561
01:52:01,000 --> 01:51:59,239
there going to be a defy or canonize I

2562
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,010
forget the the two cousins who died

2563
01:52:07,540 --> 01:52:04,400
early that ritual is going to take place

2564
01:52:09,580 --> 01:52:07,550
in a couple of days on Saturday so

2565
01:52:11,949 --> 01:52:09,590
that's the hundredth anniversary and the

2566
01:52:13,449 --> 01:52:11,959
Pope wants to do that you know to and

2567
01:52:15,310 --> 01:52:13,459
Pope Francis is going to do this he's

2568
01:52:17,890 --> 01:52:15,320
going to officiate at the ceremony from

2569
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:17,900
what I understand so they're putting

2570
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,110
their seal on this the church is

2571
01:52:24,879 --> 01:52:23,360
actually 100% now behind it whereas they

2572
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,889
were kind of wishy-washy on and off

2573
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:26,719
there were factions within the church

2574
01:52:31,299 --> 01:52:29,030
that were fighting over Fatima release

2575
01:52:33,250 --> 01:52:31,309
it don't release it acknowledge it don't

2576
01:52:34,810 --> 01:52:33,260
acknowledge it but eventually they did

2577
01:52:37,629 --> 01:52:34,820
the propaganda value was just too great

2578
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:37,639
and so they did they threw all their

2579
01:52:43,930 --> 01:52:42,080
weight behind it so the church

2580
01:52:46,420 --> 01:52:43,940
position is that this was a real event

2581
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:46,430
these were supernatural occurrences it

2582
01:52:51,250 --> 01:52:49,730
was the Blessed Virgin Mother and these

2583
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:51,260
three innocent children who could not

2584
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:52,970
read or write were the beneficiaries of

2585
01:52:58,360 --> 01:52:56,330
this this strange message why would and

2586
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,370
we always ask this don't we we always

2587
01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:01,280
wonder why the UFO doesn't land on the

2588
01:53:04,630 --> 01:53:02,030
White House lawn

2589
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:04,640
right right here's the Virgin Mother not

2590
01:53:08,230 --> 01:53:06,650
landing on the White House lawn here's

2591
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:08,240
the Virgin Mother going to a couple of

2592
01:53:14,350 --> 01:53:11,090
kids in a remote village in Portugal

2593
01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:14,360
rather than showing up in Red Square in

2594
01:53:17,020 --> 01:53:16,580
Moscow and saying repent oh you're all

2595
01:53:19,300 --> 01:53:17,030
doomed

2596
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,310
right so the message goes to these

2597
01:53:25,660 --> 01:53:20,960
little kids it doesn't make a lot of

2598
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,670
sense if we're talking about religion it

2599
01:53:31,930 --> 01:53:27,440
kind of makes sense that we're talking

2600
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:31,940
about a UFO style event what we're

2601
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:33,530
calling the phenomenon you know Tom

2602
01:53:36,460 --> 01:53:35,150
DeLonge and I and all the rest we're

2603
01:53:38,620 --> 01:53:36,470
referring to says the phenomenon this

2604
01:53:40,210 --> 01:53:38,630
could be you know an iteration of the

2605
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:40,220
phenomenon it makes a lot of sense then

2606
01:53:45,250 --> 01:53:41,690
because that's how these things happen

2607
01:53:46,990 --> 01:53:45,260
right then they get manipulated later by

2608
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:47,000
the powers that be into something else

2609
01:53:51,550 --> 01:53:49,330
and they feel they can do that because

2610
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:51,560
no one's going to come back and stop

2611
01:53:56,590 --> 01:53:54,190
them right they feel kind of

2612
01:53:58,630 --> 01:53:56,600
invulnerable that they can go and say

2613
01:54:00,760 --> 01:53:58,640
anything where this this kind of an

2614
01:54:02,230 --> 01:54:00,770
experience is concerned because who's

2615
01:54:04,450 --> 01:54:02,240
going to tell them they're lying this is

2616
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:04,460
the part that we really hate about

2617
01:54:10,150 --> 01:54:07,040
ufology right is the fact that it can be

2618
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:10,160
manipulated by anybody because the

2619
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,810
aliens don't come back and say hey man

2620
01:54:14,860 --> 01:54:14,000
you know tee's you're lying you know I

2621
01:54:17,470 --> 01:54:14,870
never said that

2622
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,480
right so that doesn't happen and because

2623
01:54:21,820 --> 01:54:19,520
that doesn't happen a lot of things can

2624
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:21,830
get swept under the rug and in the case

2625
01:54:27,070 --> 01:54:24,320
of this particular type of experience I

2626
01:54:28,510 --> 01:54:27,080
think these kids had an experience for

2627
01:54:31,060 --> 01:54:28,520
some reason I believe that I've read

2628
01:54:32,410 --> 01:54:31,070
transcripts like I say and I've read

2629
01:54:34,450 --> 01:54:32,420
some of the other des pros and the cons

2630
01:54:37,210 --> 01:54:34,460
the cynical The Skeptical stuff as well

2631
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:37,220
as the more pious support and I kind of

2632
01:54:41,740 --> 01:54:38,510
believe these kids did have their

2633
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:41,750
experiences particularly Lucia we don't

2634
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:43,310
really know about the other two because

2635
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:46,130
they died too young but as far as Lucia

2636
01:54:51,490 --> 01:54:47,930
is concerned she had something happened

2637
01:54:53,650 --> 01:54:51,500
and then she became this vehicle for the

2638
01:54:55,930 --> 01:54:53,660
church she became this this this emblem

2639
01:54:57,670 --> 01:54:55,940
you know and a good thing about

2640
01:55:00,370 --> 01:54:57,680
was she never had to show up anywhere

2641
01:55:02,350 --> 01:55:00,380
you know her story was out there that's

2642
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:02,360
all that was necessary her quote-unquote

2643
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:04,370
her brand was all that was necessary

2644
01:55:11,590 --> 01:55:07,370
great right totally her brand what's

2645
01:55:13,180 --> 01:55:11,600
going to go on at over in Fatima on

2646
01:55:15,790 --> 01:55:13,190
Saturday this weekend

2647
01:55:17,650 --> 01:55:15,800
I mean is it just going to be you know

2648
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:17,660
quarter-million people on the hillside

2649
01:55:22,420 --> 01:55:20,000
oh I'm sure I'm sure it's going to be

2650
01:55:23,770 --> 01:55:22,430
absolutely nuts this is I mean numbers

2651
01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:23,780
don't always mean a lot but 100th

2652
01:55:27,459 --> 01:55:25,070
anniversary they've been building up to

2653
01:55:30,130 --> 01:55:27,469
this for a long time right the Catholic

2654
01:55:31,570 --> 01:55:30,140
press is full of reports like this if

2655
01:55:32,830 --> 01:55:31,580
you go and look at some of the Catholic

2656
01:55:34,630 --> 01:55:32,840
Reporter Catholic knows that kind of

2657
01:55:36,580 --> 01:55:34,640
stuff they're talking all about what's

2658
01:55:38,650 --> 01:55:36,590
happening they're all just you know

2659
01:55:39,939 --> 01:55:38,660
ecstatic about this and the fact that

2660
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:39,949
the the two kids are going to be

2661
01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:41,930
recognized this way officially by Pope

2662
01:55:46,630 --> 01:55:45,020
Francis is a major thing as well so

2663
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:46,640
there's there's just you know a lot of

2664
01:55:51,310 --> 01:55:48,890
interest in this now especially now when

2665
01:55:53,890 --> 01:55:51,320
the world seems to be in a similar state

2666
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:53,900
right of a lot of tension worldwide and

2667
01:56:00,100 --> 01:55:57,920
now a focus on on Islamic quote/unquote

2668
01:56:01,959 --> 01:56:00,110
terrorism so you have this this idea

2669
01:56:03,580 --> 01:56:01,969
that's going on plus the rise of you

2670
01:56:05,290 --> 01:56:03,590
know extreme right movements and all the

2671
01:56:08,290 --> 01:56:05,300
rest it seems like a little bit of a

2672
01:56:10,479 --> 01:56:08,300
replay so you're going to have people

2673
01:56:12,820 --> 01:56:10,489
who are very interested to see will

2674
01:56:14,170 --> 01:56:12,830
there be another event you know will

2675
01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:14,180
people see something will there be

2676
01:56:18,250 --> 01:56:16,310
another experience is this going to be

2677
01:56:19,540 --> 01:56:18,260
you know a repeat in some way you know

2678
01:56:22,090 --> 01:56:19,550
there's a lot of people who are hoping

2679
01:56:23,950 --> 01:56:22,100
and expecting it will be yeah myself

2680
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:23,960
included and wouldn't that be neat

2681
01:56:28,450 --> 01:56:25,280
because you're going to be over with me

2682
01:56:30,430 --> 01:56:28,460
on coast on Saturday night that would

2683
01:56:32,110 --> 01:56:30,440
make a pretty phenomenal show let's take

2684
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:32,120
a braille right here Peter and when we

2685
01:56:36,910 --> 01:56:34,250
come back I want to talk a little secret

2686
01:56:38,590 --> 01:56:36,920
machines can we do that yeah that's what

2687
01:56:41,140 --> 01:56:38,600
we're going to do because Peter Levin is

2688
01:56:42,700 --> 01:56:41,150
here which means secret machines he's

2689
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:42,710
not going to get out of here without

2690
01:56:47,260 --> 01:56:44,510
giving us the real stuff it's Peter

2691
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:47,270
Levin DES and me fade to black we'll be

2692
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right back

2693
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in the news podcast calm that's in the

2749
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2750
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2760
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2761
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2762
02:00:00,510 --> 01:59:57,820
you want to know a secret I love ponies

2763
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2764
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couldn't stay sane without Pony mr. Bush

2765
02:00:12,250 --> 02:00:07,670
why fade to black because you never got

2766
02:00:16,250 --> 02:00:14,330
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2767
02:00:19,939 --> 02:00:16,260
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02:00:22,330 --> 02:00:19,949
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2771
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:36,660
welcome back fade to black

2772
02:00:40,990 --> 02:00:38,530
[Music]

2773
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:41,000
our guest tonight Peter Levin I'm going

2774
02:00:44,710 --> 02:00:42,410
to open up the phone lines three two

2775
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:44,720
three eight two five five zero four or

2776
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:48,650
five any questions about Fatima secret

2777
02:00:55,090 --> 02:00:51,770
machines although so Peter I have one

2778
02:00:57,610 --> 02:00:55,100
quick question here from Nicholas and he

2779
02:01:00,670 --> 02:00:57,620
says please ask Peter what he thinks

2780
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:00,680
about the book heavenly lights the

2781
02:01:04,660 --> 02:01:02,810
operations of Fatima and the UFO

2782
02:01:07,540 --> 02:01:04,670
phenomenon have you read that book I

2783
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:07,550
have not okay so there you go

2784
02:01:15,220 --> 02:01:12,560
and let's see I thought I had a couple

2785
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:15,230
of more questions in here for you I'll

2786
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:18,050
get them I'll get to them if they pop up

2787
02:01:21,729 --> 02:01:20,450
I want to say really quick this portion

2788
02:01:25,210 --> 02:01:21,739
of the broadcast is brought to you by

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2791
02:01:31,540 --> 02:01:29,840
now for get the t.com just mentioned

2792
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:31,550
Jimmy when you order either online or

2793
02:01:37,660 --> 02:01:34,250
over the phone and you will get yourself

2794
02:01:41,950 --> 02:01:37,670
free shipping all right let's talk a

2795
02:01:47,050 --> 02:01:41,960
little secret machines if you don't mind

2796
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:47,060
Peter the Tom had mentioned Tom DeLonge

2797
02:01:52,090 --> 02:01:50,330
I think he might have mentioned it with

2798
02:01:54,580 --> 02:01:52,100
you I don't know if it was on coast but

2799
02:01:57,310 --> 02:01:54,590
that there would be something coming in

2800
02:02:01,720 --> 02:01:57,320
the next 60 days or so what was he

2801
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:01,730
referring to with that um I could tell

2802
02:02:08,590 --> 02:02:05,210
you but then I'd have to sue you man why

2803
02:02:10,090 --> 02:02:08,600
did I know to say that yeah he's working

2804
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:10,100
on something which is going to be a

2805
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:13,850
major announcement I think we're not

2806
02:02:20,530 --> 02:02:17,330
going to expect it for another I would

2807
02:02:22,780 --> 02:02:20,540
say I want to say another four to six

2808
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:22,790
weeks or so I'm not exactly sure it's

2809
02:02:26,260 --> 02:02:24,530
something that's requiring a lot of work

2810
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:26,270
a lot more work I think then was

2811
02:02:30,910 --> 02:02:28,250
expected but it's still it's still on

2812
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:30,920
track to happen quite soon happening you

2813
02:02:37,479 --> 02:02:33,170
know this summer so I can't really go

2814
02:02:41,380 --> 02:02:37,489
into it is it the documentary I'm gonna

2815
02:02:45,490 --> 02:02:41,390
go in Haiti pricing okay is it Tom going

2816
02:02:50,770 --> 02:02:45,500
is it a video of Tom taking everybody

2817
02:02:52,750 --> 02:02:50,780
tour of a really cool Flying Saucer that

2818
02:02:56,260 --> 02:02:52,760
would be cool yeah definitely sign up

2819
02:03:00,340 --> 02:02:56,270
for that yeah okay so man I I just want

2820
02:03:04,030 --> 02:03:00,350
to know what it see the thing is with

2821
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:04,040
with all of us we we've seen you know

2822
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:06,410
not not only from Tom and you but we've

2823
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:07,730
all read the books we've seen the

2824
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:09,710
documents we've had the eyewitness

2825
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:11,930
testimony we've had our sightings

2826
02:03:18,670 --> 02:03:15,440
there's video and and and photograph I

2827
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:18,680
mean what is it that Tom could reveal

2828
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:20,480
that would take things to the next step

2829
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:23,360
if you were going to have a big reveal

2830
02:03:30,190 --> 02:03:25,610
Peter what would take us to the next

2831
02:03:31,870 --> 02:03:30,200
step your your evil Jimmy I know because

2832
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:31,880
because what you're saying and you're

2833
02:03:36,580 --> 02:03:33,290
asking me actually to say what this is

2834
02:03:38,770 --> 02:03:36,590
without saying what it is let me look at

2835
02:03:40,420 --> 02:03:38,780
it let me look at it this way you're

2836
02:03:42,940 --> 02:03:40,430
absolutely on a percent right and

2837
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:42,950
everybody who's like complaining and you

2838
02:03:47,410 --> 02:03:44,810
know moaning about this is absolutely

2839
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:47,420
right people have been saying for the

2840
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:49,850
last seventy years at least there's been

2841
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:51,650
you know reports there's been I witness

2842
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:55,130
testimony documents people coming out

2843
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:56,690
and saying what it is what it is and all

2844
02:04:03,150 --> 02:03:57,920
the rest of it's been going on and on

2845
02:04:05,710 --> 02:04:03,160
and on right the approach we believe

2846
02:04:09,340 --> 02:04:05,720
that the approach that's been taken so

2847
02:04:12,070 --> 02:04:09,350
far is lacking one or two moving parts

2848
02:04:14,230 --> 02:04:12,080
that if we had them would make things a

2849
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:14,240
lot more sensible a lot easier to

2850
02:04:21,130 --> 02:04:16,880
understand and would make disclosure

2851
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:21,140
quote unquote easier to to comprehend we

2852
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:23,210
feel that disclosure itself is not

2853
02:04:27,790 --> 02:04:25,100
necessarily the right word to use may be

2854
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:27,800
I think people have different ideas what

2855
02:04:35,980 --> 02:04:31,330
that means if the US government today

2856
02:04:38,110 --> 02:04:35,990
came out and actually said yes we've we

2857
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:38,120
know there are aliens and you know we've

2858
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:40,490
talked to them how many of you listening

2859
02:04:46,090 --> 02:04:43,280
would actually believe them right at

2860
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:46,100
this point why would you you may believe

2861
02:04:49,900 --> 02:04:48,170
them because you want to you know

2862
02:04:51,940 --> 02:04:49,910
because you want to believe but if you

2863
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:51,950
want to believe like Scott you know like

2864
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:54,770
Fox Mulder wants to believe you already

2865
02:04:58,180 --> 02:04:56,810
probably do believe if you want to

2866
02:04:59,350 --> 02:04:58,190
believe there's something there that you

2867
02:05:02,890 --> 02:04:59,360
are sure

2868
02:05:04,810 --> 02:05:02,900
is real insurer that exists what we're

2869
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:04,820
trying to do is to bring this entire

2870
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:08,330
conversation to a different level and we

2871
02:05:13,990 --> 02:05:10,310
think it's been bogged down in this

2872
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:14,000
constant attempt to try to prove that

2873
02:05:20,140 --> 02:05:18,770
the phenomenon is real it's real there's

2874
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:20,150
no doubt that it's real there's an

2875
02:05:23,770 --> 02:05:21,920
overwhelming amount of evidence that

2876
02:05:26,980 --> 02:05:23,780
it's real and if we keep waiting around

2877
02:05:29,890 --> 02:05:26,990
for somebody to verify to to confirm

2878
02:05:31,780 --> 02:05:29,900
this for us we're going to get really

2879
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:31,790
old really fast I'm already halfway

2880
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:35,810
there so this is to us this is probably

2881
02:05:41,020 --> 02:05:38,810
the wrong approach to take we know it's

2882
02:05:44,590 --> 02:05:41,030
real we're proceeding from the the basis

2883
02:05:47,290 --> 02:05:44,600
that this is real that that the contact

2884
02:05:49,540 --> 02:05:47,300
has happened all of this is is real and

2885
02:05:51,460 --> 02:05:49,550
it's ongoing and once we get to that

2886
02:05:54,340 --> 02:05:51,470
point where we say okay it's real now

2887
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:54,350
what do we do we go back and look at

2888
02:05:57,460 --> 02:05:55,760
everything that's happened before all

2889
02:05:58,750 --> 02:05:57,470
the researchers have gone on before all

2890
02:06:01,360 --> 02:05:58,760
the documents all the books that have

2891
02:06:03,220 --> 02:06:01,370
been written go back from to that point

2892
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:03,230
of view and say no we know it's real

2893
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:05,840
okay now what what does that imply for

2894
02:06:10,090 --> 02:06:07,760
science what does it imply for history

2895
02:06:11,980 --> 02:06:10,100
for archaeology for psychology for all

2896
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:11,990
the rest of it if we posit that it's

2897
02:06:19,210 --> 02:06:15,610
real and we and we talk to people and we

2898
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:19,220
bring their insights to the table what

2899
02:06:23,740 --> 02:06:20,810
kind of really weird and really

2900
02:06:26,410 --> 02:06:23,750
phenomenal information will we suddenly

2901
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:26,420
have at our disposal and I'm talking in

2902
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:28,730
very general terms here because I'm

2903
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:31,130
trying to convey something that's very

2904
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:33,170
hard to convey but a lot of people who

2905
02:06:36,460 --> 02:06:35,210
go on about disclosure all the time who

2906
02:06:39,490 --> 02:06:36,470
are looking for proof looking for

2907
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:39,500
evidence they've been hoodwinked so many

2908
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:40,400
times right

2909
02:06:44,530 --> 02:06:42,530
you've got to Doty Benowitz stuff right

2910
02:06:46,030 --> 02:06:44,540
we've got all of these these things

2911
02:06:48,190 --> 02:06:46,040
where people have been manipulated and

2912
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:48,200
all because you're waiting to have

2913
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:49,730
someone tell you what's real well how's

2914
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:52,250
that working out for you well okay so

2915
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:54,710
the question is obvious Peter how do we

2916
02:07:00,400 --> 02:06:57,760
know that tom is in another Benowitz

2917
02:07:02,830 --> 02:07:00,410
sure ups absolutely you're going to know

2918
02:07:06,430 --> 02:07:02,840
it because we are not going to say trust

2919
02:07:08,650 --> 02:07:06,440
us we're going to say take a look

2920
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:08,660
figure this out for yourself see if it's

2921
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:10,570
true see if what we're saying is real

2922
02:07:15,700 --> 02:07:13,130
see if we're actually bringing something

2923
02:07:17,890 --> 02:07:15,710
to the party because we intend to bring

2924
02:07:20,379 --> 02:07:17,900
something different to the party that's

2925
02:07:21,820 --> 02:07:20,389
what we're focused on we're intending on

2926
02:07:24,430 --> 02:07:21,830
saying things that had not been said

2927
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:24,440
before about this subject and what could

2928
02:07:31,169 --> 02:07:26,210
that different thing that's coming

2929
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:31,179
forward be oh man Peter okay now a

2930
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:36,050
couple of years ago yeah I would say was

2931
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:37,610
almost two years ago you sent me a

2932
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:41,090
picture of yourself and Podesta and Tom

2933
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:42,710
DeLonge and a couple of other people in

2934
02:07:47,410 --> 02:07:45,199
this picture which has since been out

2935
02:07:49,689 --> 02:07:47,420
there too it's now out there publicly I

2936
02:07:52,330 --> 02:07:49,699
didn't leak it but you know it's out

2937
02:07:57,550 --> 02:07:52,340
there what did you talk about with

2938
02:08:00,899 --> 02:07:57,560
Podesta um what you would expect

2939
02:08:03,399 --> 02:08:00,909
actually we talked about you know the

2940
02:08:05,379 --> 02:08:03,409
phenomenon we talked about you know

2941
02:08:07,780 --> 02:08:05,389
secrecy in government we talked about

2942
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:07,790
getting the secrets the truth out about

2943
02:08:12,010 --> 02:08:10,159
what the government knows about this

2944
02:08:13,810 --> 02:08:12,020
phenomenon we we went there you know

2945
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:13,820
right away that Podesta knew that's what

2946
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:14,960
we were going to talk to him about I

2947
02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:16,610
mean there was no it wasn't he wasn't

2948
02:08:20,439 --> 02:08:18,590
sandbagged he wasn't ambushed we were

2949
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:20,449
upfront about this and we said we want

2950
02:08:23,530 --> 02:08:21,710
to talk about this this is what we're

2951
02:08:25,479 --> 02:08:23,540
interested in but we know we have to go

2952
02:08:28,930 --> 02:08:25,489
about this in an indirect kind of way

2953
02:08:31,899 --> 02:08:28,940
you know too much I think from my

2954
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:31,909
personal opinion of reading about all of

2955
02:08:37,300 --> 02:08:33,440
us and being involved in it for so long

2956
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:37,310
is that our approach when I say our the

2957
02:08:41,649 --> 02:08:40,130
approach of ufologists in general not

2958
02:08:43,660 --> 02:08:41,659
that I'm a ufologist necessarily I don't

2959
02:08:46,180 --> 02:08:43,670
think I've been embraced yet by the new

2960
02:08:47,439 --> 02:08:46,190
falada community if there is such a

2961
02:08:51,459 --> 02:08:47,449
dysfunctional thing as the youth

2962
02:08:54,189 --> 02:08:51,469
illogical community right but but my

2963
02:08:56,830 --> 02:08:54,199
from our point of view see the approach

2964
02:08:59,020 --> 02:08:56,840
to the government and to the military to

2965
02:09:01,149 --> 02:08:59,030
the intelligence agencies and to the

2966
02:09:04,209 --> 02:09:01,159
industrial complex has always been

2967
02:09:05,590 --> 02:09:04,219
adversarial you know we think you're

2968
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:05,600
covering up you're hiding something

2969
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,730
you're screwing with us you know more

2970
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:09,679
than you're saying etc etc etc okay

2971
02:09:14,860 --> 02:09:11,360
that's always been kind of with with

2972
02:09:16,360 --> 02:09:14,870
anger with resentment with with charges

2973
02:09:18,430 --> 02:09:16,370
of you know all sorts of duplicitous

2974
02:09:19,660 --> 02:09:18,440
stuff going on and obviously some of

2975
02:09:22,570 --> 02:09:19,670
that's really taken place right

2976
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:22,580
particularly during the Cold War so what

2977
02:09:27,050 --> 02:09:25,130
we're saying is listen guys we know that

2978
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:27,060
you're part of the the Opera

2979
02:09:30,050 --> 02:09:28,890
that's supposedly defending the United

2980
02:09:32,210 --> 02:09:30,060
States that is defending the United

2981
02:09:33,710 --> 02:09:32,220
States you're defending us right you

2982
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:33,720
went through the Cold War when you

2983
02:09:36,650 --> 02:09:34,650
didn't know if there were nukes

2984
02:09:38,570 --> 02:09:36,660
wandering around in suitcases in New

2985
02:09:40,430 --> 02:09:38,580
York City right all kinds of stuff was

2986
02:09:42,860 --> 02:09:40,440
going on you could not tell us about at

2987
02:09:44,210 --> 02:09:42,870
the time there was all sorts of

2988
02:09:47,420 --> 02:09:44,220
espionage taking place there were

2989
02:09:50,510 --> 02:09:47,430
enemies of the America everywhere we get

2990
02:09:52,370 --> 02:09:50,520
it we understand we're not holding this

2991
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:52,380
against you we're not blaming you how

2992
02:09:56,330 --> 02:09:54,330
could you come out and tell us about the

2993
02:09:57,920 --> 02:09:56,340
phenomenon talk to us about flying

2994
02:10:00,740 --> 02:09:57,930
saucers let's say are aliens or anything

2995
02:10:02,900 --> 02:10:00,750
else at a time when we're busy dealing

2996
02:10:04,970 --> 02:10:02,910
with the Russians or the Chinese and you

2997
02:10:06,590 --> 02:10:04,980
know communist movements everyplace else

2998
02:10:09,140 --> 02:10:06,600
and you know the official position of

2999
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:09,150
the United States was such that we had a

3000
02:10:12,740 --> 02:10:10,530
lot of enemies we had military

3001
02:10:15,500 --> 02:10:12,750
everywhere we got spooks everywhere so

3002
02:10:17,660 --> 02:10:15,510
we get it but now let's ease off a

3003
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:17,670
little bit tell us what you can tell us

3004
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:20,250
give us an idea of the context without

3005
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:22,530
if you can't tell us what we really want

3006
02:10:27,710 --> 02:10:23,970
to know and you know what we really want

3007
02:10:29,810 --> 02:10:27,720
to know tell us something that gives us

3008
02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:29,820
an idea as to how to approach this

3009
02:10:35,330 --> 02:10:33,480
material in a more positive way maybe

3010
02:10:37,460 --> 02:10:35,340
you can't tell us yes we have alien

3011
02:10:38,810 --> 02:10:37,470
bodies at you know wright-patterson but

3012
02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:38,820
you can tell us something you can give

3013
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:40,110
us a bit more than you've given us so

3014
02:10:46,610 --> 02:10:41,610
far well that--okay

3015
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:46,620
did you ask Podesta if he had access to

3016
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:51,050
those files and that did he review them

3017
02:10:56,030 --> 02:10:53,250
okay I can't really answer that it

3018
02:10:58,610 --> 02:10:56,040
explicitly but I can say this one of the

3019
02:11:00,200 --> 02:10:58,620
most valuable things we learned from

3020
02:11:01,250 --> 02:11:00,210
Podesta not just from Podesta but from

3021
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:01,260
others too because we're always

3022
02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:03,930
corroborating everything one of the most

3023
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:06,050
valuable things we learned I believe was

3024
02:11:12,350 --> 02:11:08,850
that the government doesn't work that

3025
02:11:15,110 --> 02:11:12,360
way there is no one big box someplace

3026
02:11:17,210 --> 02:11:15,120
that's marked UFO aliens and all the

3027
02:11:19,670 --> 02:11:17,220
files are in there the stuff is

3028
02:11:21,530 --> 02:11:19,680
scattered in different departments it's

3029
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:21,540
a question of secrecy it's a question of

3030
02:11:26,330 --> 02:11:23,490
there's been a lot of discussion lately

3031
02:11:27,890 --> 02:11:26,340
about security clearances right who gets

3032
02:11:31,250 --> 02:11:27,900
a security clearance who has secret

3033
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:31,260
clearance TSS CI right top secret secure

3034
02:11:35,810 --> 02:11:33,330
compartmented you know information so

3035
02:11:37,370 --> 02:11:35,820
the idea is that you you're allowed to

3036
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:37,380
know certain aspects of something but

3037
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:38,730
never the whole thing you don't have a

3038
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:40,560
need-to-know right at

3039
02:11:44,690 --> 02:11:42,690
this permeates the entire government

3040
02:11:46,070 --> 02:11:44,700
apparatus right people have to be

3041
02:11:49,220 --> 02:11:46,080
cleared at certain levels for certain

3042
02:11:51,740 --> 02:11:49,230
types of information and it's it's as

3043
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:51,750
horizontal as it is vertical so you can

3044
02:11:57,290 --> 02:11:54,690
be in the Air Force and have a piece of

3045
02:11:59,300 --> 02:11:57,300
the puzzle and then somebody else in the

3046
02:12:00,890 --> 02:11:59,310
Navy has another piece and then somebody

3047
02:12:02,990 --> 02:12:00,900
in the Pentagon has a piece and somebody

3048
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:03,000
in one of the intelligence agencies are

3049
02:12:07,670 --> 02:12:04,650
all the intelligence agencies have their

3050
02:12:09,890 --> 02:12:07,680
pieces and no nobody necessarily has all

3051
02:12:15,340 --> 02:12:09,900
of it because they're not cleared for it

3052
02:12:21,170 --> 02:12:18,080
Podesta gave us this information he said

3053
02:12:23,390 --> 02:12:21,180
this is the difficulty and he believes

3054
02:12:25,370 --> 02:12:23,400
to this day I believe I haven't spoken

3055
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:25,380
to him in a couple of years but I

3056
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:28,650
believe his position is that the secrecy

3057
02:12:33,890 --> 02:12:31,410
on this is wrong that it doesn't serve

3058
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:33,900
anyone at this point any longer and that

3059
02:12:38,570 --> 02:12:35,520
it's important that whatever the

3060
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:38,580
government has has to be revealed that

3061
02:12:43,490 --> 02:12:41,130
it's time to open up whatever files we

3062
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:43,500
can find whoever has them on this

3063
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:46,290
subject as long as it's not jeopardizing

3064
02:12:49,490 --> 02:12:47,370
the national security of the United

3065
02:12:52,670 --> 02:12:49,500
States that this information should be

3066
02:12:54,500 --> 02:12:52,680
made available that's what I'm as far as

3067
02:12:56,330 --> 02:12:54,510
I'm willing to talk about the test of

3068
02:12:57,170 --> 02:12:56,340
I'm not gonna I'm not going to ease up

3069
02:13:00,320 --> 02:12:57,180
on this at all

3070
02:13:02,090 --> 02:13:00,330
this is great stuff Peter you know the

3071
02:13:04,250 --> 02:13:02,100
famous tweet is out there right his

3072
02:13:07,190 --> 02:13:04,260
biggest disappointment was not moving

3073
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:07,200
forward with the et issue right which

3074
02:13:13,660 --> 02:13:11,400
which says that there is improving look

3075
02:13:17,420 --> 02:13:13,670
the government says there isn't anything

3076
02:13:21,380 --> 02:13:17,430
right that's their official position now

3077
02:13:24,380 --> 02:13:21,390
for Podesta to state the opposite that

3078
02:13:27,050 --> 02:13:24,390
there is that we need to what is it that

3079
02:13:29,210 --> 02:13:27,060
needs to be revealed I mean a but

3080
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:29,220
they're the only other thing besides

3081
02:13:35,150 --> 02:13:31,890
what the government's position is is the

3082
02:13:37,370 --> 02:13:35,160
opposite of that which says Podesta

3083
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:37,380
knows that there was something to be

3084
02:13:43,400 --> 02:13:40,110
talked about here am I wrong in taking

3085
02:13:45,380 --> 02:13:43,410
this position I'm sure that Podesta

3086
02:13:47,690 --> 02:13:45,390
believes that there is I don't know if

3087
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:47,700
he knows for certain that there is

3088
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:49,650
something I'm not going to come out and

3089
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:52,290
talk for him on this well I'm going to

3090
02:13:55,549 --> 02:13:54,239
say is what he led us

3091
02:13:57,140 --> 02:13:55,559
to believe is the same as in the tweet

3092
02:13:58,520 --> 02:13:57,150
that that was his greatest

3093
02:14:01,100 --> 02:13:58,530
disappointment that he wasn't able to

3094
02:14:05,029 --> 02:14:01,110
pry any of that loose the implication is

3095
02:14:07,790 --> 02:14:05,039
there is stuff to probably lose the the

3096
02:14:12,799 --> 02:14:07,800
other part that I think is is difficult

3097
02:14:14,810 --> 02:14:12,809
to discuss but with with the revelations

3098
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:14,820
which you know turned out to be you know

3099
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:17,010
a little bit back out and stuff you know

3100
02:14:23,509 --> 02:14:20,159
with pizza gate with with Podesta the

3101
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:23,519
best way to take down a UFO guy is to

3102
02:14:28,580 --> 02:14:24,960
bring up something like this with

3103
02:14:30,859 --> 02:14:28,590
accusations and now here in the UFO

3104
02:14:33,500 --> 02:14:30,869
community we can't bring up Podesta's

3105
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:33,510
name we can't we just can't do it

3106
02:14:39,919 --> 02:14:36,079
anymore because of the way that he was

3107
02:14:43,250 --> 02:14:39,929
just clouded and and you know when

3108
02:14:44,569 --> 02:14:43,260
brought down he is he aware of that do

3109
02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:44,579
you think and you think that that was

3110
02:14:52,609 --> 02:14:49,320
part of the silencing of Podesta as he

3111
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:52,619
was the most outspoken person in the

3112
02:14:57,140 --> 02:14:55,110
campaign on this subject right Hillary

3113
02:14:58,549 --> 02:14:57,150
was to a certain extent obviously on a

3114
02:15:00,799 --> 02:14:58,559
couple of atok shows and everything else

3115
02:15:03,229 --> 02:15:00,809
but she was kind of coy about it Podesta

3116
02:15:05,149 --> 02:15:03,239
was pretty upfront about it without

3117
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:05,159
saying oh I have all these documents and

3118
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:06,480
they'll prove it so only if only they'd

3119
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:08,639
let me talk he didn't do any of that but

3120
02:15:13,220 --> 02:15:10,380
he was very outspoken on this particular

3121
02:15:15,229 --> 02:15:13,230
issue he was the most outspoken I think

3122
02:15:18,189 --> 02:15:15,239
he was the target if anybody wanted to

3123
02:15:21,020 --> 02:15:18,199
to stop these documents from being

3124
02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:21,030
revealed or any of the information the

3125
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:23,130
government or industry may have I think

3126
02:15:27,529 --> 02:15:25,199
Podesta would have been the target and I

3127
02:15:29,330 --> 02:15:27,539
think the the Pizza Gate stuff was was

3128
02:15:31,220 --> 02:15:29,340
to me absolutely ridiculous I mean I

3129
02:15:33,140 --> 02:15:31,230
know I've been criticized for this

3130
02:15:34,759 --> 02:15:33,150
because everybody wants to believe that

3131
02:15:37,220 --> 02:15:34,769
there's truth to that that you know

3132
02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:37,230
Hillary and Podesta were torturing kids

3133
02:15:42,379 --> 02:15:38,670
in the basement of a pizza parlor and

3134
02:15:44,479 --> 02:15:42,389
Dupont Circle however I have to call

3135
02:15:47,060 --> 02:15:44,489
nonsense on that they're just I'm sorry

3136
02:15:49,399 --> 02:15:47,070
there just wasn't okay and but I would I

3137
02:15:52,819 --> 02:15:49,409
go through with people who are insisting

3138
02:15:54,350 --> 02:15:52,829
on this it's eerily similar to actually

3139
02:15:56,660 --> 02:15:54,360
being involved with people who are

3140
02:15:59,870 --> 02:15:56,670
really playing Dungeons and Dragons for

3141
02:16:01,669 --> 02:15:59,880
real you know yes yes yes Dungeons and

3142
02:16:02,959 --> 02:16:01,679
Dragons mentality where they'll take

3143
02:16:04,819 --> 02:16:02,969
little things and they'll turn it

3144
02:16:06,890 --> 02:16:04,829
there's a dungeon master you know there

3145
02:16:08,009 --> 02:16:06,900
is a guy on this conspiracy show or that

3146
02:16:09,660 --> 02:16:08,019
conspiracy show

3147
02:16:11,459 --> 02:16:09,670
and they're creating this Dungeons &

3148
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:11,469
Dragons atmosphere where nothing is

3149
02:16:15,259 --> 02:16:13,360
really real but it really feels real and

3150
02:16:18,299 --> 02:16:15,269
it's very entertaining and it's very

3151
02:16:19,859 --> 02:16:18,309
moving and it gets everybody's juices

3152
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:19,869
flowing but in the end there's no

3153
02:16:23,129 --> 02:16:21,610
they're there and that was the problem

3154
02:16:25,890 --> 02:16:23,139
and I think they did an excellent job in

3155
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,900
trying to you know destroy pedesta that

3156
02:16:29,069 --> 02:16:27,760
way and you know people have come out

3157
02:16:31,859 --> 02:16:29,079
since then and said yeah it was a

3158
02:16:33,419 --> 02:16:31,869
mistake it was wrong I mean even

3159
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:33,429
Infowars came out and said it was yeah

3160
02:16:37,469 --> 02:16:35,679
yeah Alex Jones have also been difficult

3161
02:16:40,650 --> 02:16:37,479
for him to do to go public and go you

3162
02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:40,660
know you know I apologize for doing that

3163
02:16:45,150 --> 02:16:43,689
it was a false story but the it that

3164
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:45,160
doesn't matter does it

3165
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:48,010
the damage is done right as I did the

3166
02:16:52,889 --> 02:16:51,370
stigmas there for life yeah and even

3167
02:16:55,559 --> 02:16:52,899
though it's false and even though it's

3168
02:16:57,839 --> 02:16:55,569
hideous material it is that you know I

3169
02:16:59,070 --> 02:16:57,849
mean I mean I someone who sat there and

3170
02:17:03,059 --> 02:16:59,080
talked with this guy

3171
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:03,069
and you know not just on on on tape but

3172
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:05,170
you know just before and after just

3173
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:07,210
having some conversations and stuff you

3174
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:09,040
know and then for this to come out later

3175
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:11,290
with this this this stuff was just

3176
02:17:15,540 --> 02:17:13,120
incredible I mean you just knew that

3177
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:15,550
there was some some dark you know hidden

3178
02:17:18,690 --> 02:17:17,050
hand behind all of us trying to

3179
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:18,700
manipulate this story into something

3180
02:17:22,679 --> 02:17:20,290
that it was and as we now know it was

3181
02:17:25,469 --> 02:17:22,689
manipulated and it was you know part of

3182
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:25,479
a disinformation campaign but you know

3183
02:17:31,740 --> 02:17:28,719
yeah okay so but it doesn't really rely

3184
02:17:33,839 --> 02:17:31,750
upon one person you know so if John

3185
02:17:36,330 --> 02:17:33,849
Podesta is no longer in play where this

3186
02:17:38,580 --> 02:17:36,340
is concerned that's that's okay it's

3187
02:17:40,500 --> 02:17:38,590
it's sad but it's okay there's other

3188
02:17:42,929 --> 02:17:40,510
people who can do it and all we need is

3189
02:17:44,940 --> 02:17:42,939
one person saying okay we need to we

3190
02:17:47,820 --> 02:17:44,950
need to get this settled once and for

3191
02:17:49,230 --> 02:17:47,830
all so yeah that's it that's a very

3192
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:49,240
interesting point so you're suggesting

3193
02:17:52,919 --> 02:17:51,609
that you guys are going to move forward

3194
02:17:55,049 --> 02:17:52,929
but you're probably going to have to

3195
02:17:57,240 --> 02:17:55,059
move forward without Podesta because of

3196
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:57,250
what happened or we're moving forward

3197
02:18:01,379 --> 02:17:59,200
nothing nothing has changed we're moving

3198
02:18:03,059 --> 02:18:01,389
forward the the constellation of

3199
02:18:05,309 --> 02:18:03,069
individuals and stuff may have changed

3200
02:18:07,139 --> 02:18:05,319
slightly or morphed into something else

3201
02:18:09,480 --> 02:18:07,149
where the most part we're still talking

3202
02:18:12,540 --> 02:18:09,490
to people we are still actively engaged

3203
02:18:14,519 --> 02:18:12,550
in all of us you know the the books

3204
02:18:16,860 --> 02:18:14,529
themselves are evidence of that the

3205
02:18:20,009 --> 02:18:16,870
first book that died I believe you must

3206
02:18:21,690 --> 02:18:20,019
have seen by now is you know reveals a

3207
02:18:21,930 --> 02:18:21,700
little bit of it it's difficult to find

3208
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:21,940
out

3209
02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:23,530
where the revelation is I know for some

3210
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:25,570
people who think that it's just warmed

3211
02:18:28,110 --> 02:18:26,010
over

3212
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,120
zecharia sitchin or something but it's

3213
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:30,160
really not if you pay attention to

3214
02:18:33,810 --> 02:18:32,410
cigarette machines God's you'll see that

3215
02:18:36,420 --> 02:18:33,820
there's something else that's going on

3216
02:18:39,121 --> 02:18:36,430
there and in some cases we're upfront we

3217
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:39,131
say well we've been advised to focus on

3218
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:41,410
this and when we say that it means that

3219
02:18:46,110 --> 02:18:43,810
somebody you know in a very sensitive

3220
02:18:47,430 --> 02:18:46,120
position in government has said okay

3221
02:18:50,310 --> 02:18:47,440
guys you want to know what's really

3222
02:18:52,740 --> 02:18:50,320
going on start here and in secret

3223
02:18:54,661 --> 02:18:52,750
machines God's one of the things we were

3224
02:18:58,110 --> 02:18:54,671
told to start with was a Greek mythology

3225
02:19:00,750 --> 02:18:58,120
believe it or not right not Egyptian you

3226
02:19:02,250 --> 02:19:00,760
know not Sumerian not anything else they

3227
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:02,260
said to start with the Greek mythology

3228
02:19:09,510 --> 02:19:05,280
go here go to the who who said who said

3229
02:19:13,530 --> 02:19:09,520
yeah exactly no who said you said we

3230
02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:13,540
were told yes we were told yes by

3231
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:15,730
hanging up I cannot name names well I

3232
02:19:20,940 --> 02:19:18,250
got a ask yeah you know I know you do

3233
02:19:22,770 --> 02:19:20,950
but I got I can't tell the name well we

3234
02:19:24,930 --> 02:19:22,780
are sworn to absolute secrecy until they

3235
02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:24,940
go on the record we will protect their

3236
02:19:28,740 --> 02:19:26,710
identities and I know that sounds like

3237
02:19:31,260 --> 02:19:28,750
you know the usual stuff you hear from

3238
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:31,270
everybody but if you doubt it go back to

3239
02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:33,850
those Podesta emails and find out that

3240
02:19:37,800 --> 02:19:35,230
we were talking to some very heavy

3241
02:19:40,140 --> 02:19:37,810
hitters so we weren't making that up

3242
02:19:42,750 --> 02:19:40,150
you know I want to say this everybody

3243
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:42,760
really quick all of the phone calls that

3244
02:19:48,390 --> 02:19:46,510
I have come in I have ignored obviously

3245
02:19:49,470 --> 02:19:48,400
you can see why I'd rather put the

3246
02:19:52,051 --> 02:19:49,480
pressure on Peter

3247
02:19:55,770 --> 02:19:52,061
then take your calls right now so Peter

3248
02:19:57,631 --> 02:19:55,780
oh also in secret machines gods you gave

3249
02:19:59,161 --> 02:19:57,641
me a nice little mention in the book I

3250
02:20:01,140 --> 02:19:59,171
do want to thank you for that I haven't

3251
02:20:04,470 --> 02:20:01,150
spoken to you about that very cool thank

3252
02:20:06,060 --> 02:20:04,480
you um very I mean that's that's that

3253
02:20:09,390 --> 02:20:06,070
was a pretty cool thing for me to see

3254
02:20:12,450 --> 02:20:09,400
that but Tom when he was on this show

3255
02:20:14,581 --> 02:20:12,460
said that there was a religious aspect

3256
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:14,591
to all of this when he first sat down

3257
02:20:18,091 --> 02:20:16,240
with these guys at the secret government

3258
02:20:19,140 --> 02:20:18,101
installation that was the first thing

3259
02:20:21,301 --> 02:20:19,150
that was brought up and they were like

3260
02:20:23,791 --> 02:20:21,311
hi you're onto something there and then

3261
02:20:27,150 --> 02:20:23,801
you come out with secret machines God's

3262
02:20:28,711 --> 02:20:27,160
right yeah it what it and then you know

3263
02:20:30,990 --> 02:20:28,721
here tonight we're talking about Fatima

3264
02:20:33,121 --> 02:20:31,000
and that UFO Vatican spin and that

3265
02:20:36,030 --> 02:20:33,131
religious aspect of it pretty weird

3266
02:20:40,020 --> 02:20:36,040
coincidence synchronous but it

3267
02:20:42,990 --> 02:20:40,030
what is the religious spin that tom is

3268
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:43,000
referring to because I quote Tom here

3269
02:20:48,900 --> 02:20:45,280
now I'm going to have to paraphrase Tom

3270
02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:48,910
said to me think religion and you are on

3271
02:20:53,220 --> 02:20:50,620
the right track

3272
02:20:54,830 --> 02:20:53,230
right I believe that's what he said so

3273
02:21:00,090 --> 02:20:54,840
what are we what are we strongly

3274
02:21:02,070 --> 02:21:00,100
referring to here ok if you look at

3275
02:21:03,630 --> 02:21:02,080
secret machines my version by the

3276
02:21:07,890 --> 02:21:03,640
nonfiction version the first volume

3277
02:21:12,330 --> 02:21:07,900
God's we open with a scene of a cargo

3278
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:12,340
cult right the key to this whole thing

3279
02:21:18,810 --> 02:21:15,040
is there the ad opening sequence tells

3280
02:21:20,370 --> 02:21:18,820
you a lot about about this story a cargo

3281
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:20,380
called I think as a lot of people know

3282
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:23,680
by now is you know it's true thing it's

3283
02:21:28,310 --> 02:21:26,650
a real it's a thing people in in the

3284
02:21:30,750 --> 02:21:28,320
South Pacific during World War two

3285
02:21:33,420 --> 02:21:30,760
people who are Stone Age living in a

3286
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:33,430
Stone Age existence in the islands in

3287
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:35,110
Papua New Guinea and places like that in

3288
02:21:41,810 --> 02:21:39,970
very remote areas saw Japanese landing

3289
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:41,820
British landing Australians Americans

3290
02:21:46,110 --> 02:21:44,410
landing on air strips that they carved

3291
02:21:48,060 --> 02:21:46,120
out of the jungle planes are landing

3292
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,070
they're discouraging all sorts of stuff

3293
02:21:51,630 --> 02:21:49,840
clothing and medicine and food and all

3294
02:21:53,550 --> 02:21:51,640
of that for the war effort right plus a

3295
02:21:55,080 --> 02:21:53,560
lot of weapons as well and this is all

3296
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:55,090
stuff they have never these people have

3297
02:21:58,830 --> 02:21:56,530
never in their lives seen anything like

3298
02:22:00,060 --> 02:21:58,840
this before I mean they don't they can't

3299
02:22:02,190 --> 02:22:00,070
even understand what they're looking at

3300
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:02,200
they're looking at electronics they're

3301
02:22:06,030 --> 02:22:04,690
looking at planes flying through the air

3302
02:22:07,230 --> 02:22:06,040
they're looking at people and strange

3303
02:22:09,930 --> 02:22:07,240
clothing they're looking at all this

3304
02:22:12,990 --> 02:22:09,940
stuff and it's a religious experience

3305
02:22:15,300 --> 02:22:13,000
and they go and they create a religion

3306
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:15,310
around it and they dig out an airstrip

3307
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:17,290
in the jungle you know and they build

3308
02:22:23,250 --> 02:22:19,930
fake you know towers and all kinds of

3309
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:23,260
stuff trying to convince these planes to

3310
02:22:26,730 --> 02:22:25,510
land on their airstrip and give them all

3311
02:22:28,261 --> 02:22:26,740
this stuff that they're giving the other

3312
02:22:31,410 --> 02:22:28,271
people so they want the food of the

3313
02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:31,420
medicine in the clothes so a religion is

3314
02:22:35,850 --> 02:22:33,490
created which anthropologists have

3315
02:22:38,490 --> 02:22:35,860
called cargo cults and through scattered

3316
02:22:43,490 --> 02:22:38,500
throughout the South Pacific what we're

3317
02:22:46,340 --> 02:22:43,500
saying is that religion

3318
02:22:51,500 --> 02:22:46,350
science and our technology our entire

3319
02:22:54,770 --> 02:22:51,510
civilization is a cargo cult we're

3320
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:54,780
saying that at some point in dim history

3321
02:23:00,050 --> 02:22:57,840
prehistory there was contact contact was

3322
02:23:01,670 --> 02:23:00,060
made when we were still basically the

3323
02:23:04,850 --> 02:23:01,680
equivalent of Stone Age people we were

3324
02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:04,860
hunter-gatherers and we had no

3325
02:23:08,360 --> 02:23:06,660
civilizations we didn't build big cities

3326
02:23:10,210 --> 02:23:08,370
we didn't do anything particular we're

3327
02:23:13,850 --> 02:23:10,220
just wandering around aimlessly and

3328
02:23:17,090 --> 02:23:13,860
there is this event this moment of

3329
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:17,100
contact and it's related to the sky it's

3330
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:20,490
related to travel and we know this we

3331
02:23:24,740 --> 02:23:22,800
see it and now what we've been doing our

3332
02:23:27,740 --> 02:23:24,750
entire existence for the last you know

3333
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:27,750
ten twenty thousand years or more has

3334
02:23:33,050 --> 02:23:30,090
been trying to build devices to do the

3335
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:33,060
same thing our science is also geared

3336
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:35,040
towards getting off planet building

3337
02:23:39,020 --> 02:23:37,410
ships building airplanes and getting off

3338
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:39,030
and flying in space shuttles and going

3339
02:23:43,220 --> 02:23:41,010
to Mars and going to other planets and

3340
02:23:45,770 --> 02:23:43,230
our religions are the same exact thing

3341
02:23:47,900 --> 02:23:45,780
using spiritual techniques and mystical

3342
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:47,910
techniques to go to heaven to rise on

3343
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:50,010
the plains to visit the throne of God

3344
02:23:54,290 --> 02:23:52,530
whatever it happens to be all of this is

3345
02:23:56,570 --> 02:23:54,300
designed towards the same goal towards

3346
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:56,580
the same end that in general terms is

3347
02:23:59,900 --> 02:23:57,840
what we're talking about is what Tom

3348
02:24:01,580 --> 02:23:59,910
mentioned specifically will we get into

3349
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:01,590
specifics as we go along in the project

3350
02:24:05,780 --> 02:24:03,840
and in cigarette machines gods we talk

3351
02:24:07,700 --> 02:24:05,790
about isn't this interesting that these

3352
02:24:09,470 --> 02:24:07,710
people believe this and these people

3353
02:24:11,060 --> 02:24:09,480
believe that and these things are

3354
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:11,070
running parallel to what we're talking

3355
02:24:15,410 --> 02:24:13,770
about today - alien abduction or or

3356
02:24:18,500 --> 02:24:15,420
sightings or anything else there's

3357
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:18,510
there's this continuity of ideas and

3358
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:21,930
emotion and and psyche and psychological

3359
02:24:26,480 --> 02:24:24,090
reactions to things that is the same

3360
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:26,490
through you know different religions but

3361
02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:28,170
it's also informing our science it's

3362
02:24:33,140 --> 02:24:31,110
informing everything about human life on

3363
02:24:39,290 --> 02:24:33,150
this planet has been touched by this

3364
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:39,300
contact the why haven't and through your

3365
02:24:45,890 --> 02:24:43,680
contacts why haven't you know we always

3366
02:24:47,780 --> 02:24:45,900
talk about the White House long but why

3367
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:47,790
hasn't there been direct communication

3368
02:24:53,279 --> 02:24:50,610
in this modern age I mean because I have

3369
02:24:56,880 --> 02:24:53,289
had my sightings Peter I have had

3370
02:24:59,729 --> 02:24:56,890
I know that what we are seeing are are

3371
02:25:01,439 --> 02:24:59,739
real this is not my imagination this is

3372
02:25:04,019 --> 02:25:01,449
something that is real and nobody's ever

3373
02:25:07,469 --> 02:25:04,029
going to tell me that I haven't seen

3374
02:25:10,649 --> 02:25:07,479
these things they are certainly real but

3375
02:25:12,300 --> 02:25:10,659
why haven't we had this direct contact

3376
02:25:15,450 --> 02:25:12,310
we don't have to have it through the

3377
02:25:18,300 --> 02:25:15,460
government there's plenty of places to

3378
02:25:22,559 --> 02:25:18,310
have a nice mass sighting and direct

3379
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:22,569
contact why are they avoiding that well

3380
02:25:27,389 --> 02:25:25,090
we're making a lot of assumptions in

3381
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:27,399
this in your question there's a lot of

3382
02:25:30,450 --> 02:25:28,720
assumptions built in something that we

3383
02:25:33,179 --> 02:25:30,460
address in one of the later volumes I've

3384
02:25:35,309 --> 02:25:33,189
finished writing about that sometime I'm

3385
02:25:38,609 --> 02:25:35,319
ago but we're making some assumptions we

3386
02:25:40,349 --> 02:25:38,619
have an anthropocentric I understanding

3387
02:25:42,229 --> 02:25:40,359
of the world right understanding that's

3388
02:25:44,849 --> 02:25:42,239
centered on ourselves we think that

3389
02:25:47,099 --> 02:25:44,859
whoever this is that we're making

3390
02:25:49,410 --> 02:25:47,109
contact with is going to somehow in some

3391
02:25:51,090 --> 02:25:49,420
way behave like us think like us have

3392
02:25:54,179 --> 02:25:51,100
the same reactions as we do and that's

3393
02:25:55,229 --> 02:25:54,189
not necessarily true we grew up on this

3394
02:25:58,319 --> 02:25:55,239
planet under certain specific

3395
02:26:01,319 --> 02:25:58,329
environmental conditions and etc etc you

3396
02:26:02,819 --> 02:26:01,329
know the story so we grew up we evolved

3397
02:26:05,580 --> 02:26:02,829
here in a certain way and we have

3398
02:26:07,529 --> 02:26:05,590
certain expectations these others may

3399
02:26:08,700 --> 02:26:07,539
not have the same expectations they may

3400
02:26:10,889 --> 02:26:08,710
not have had the same environmental

3401
02:26:12,269 --> 02:26:10,899
inputs that we've had as we evolve as a

3402
02:26:14,819 --> 02:26:12,279
species this may be a completely

3403
02:26:17,340 --> 02:26:14,829
different species and if it is we have

3404
02:26:20,670 --> 02:26:17,350
no clue what their priorities are we

3405
02:26:22,290 --> 02:26:20,680
have no clue what their desires might be

3406
02:26:25,710 --> 02:26:22,300
where we're concerned they may not have

3407
02:26:27,719 --> 02:26:25,720
any much to say at all about who we are

3408
02:26:30,359 --> 02:26:27,729
they may look at us as some extremely

3409
02:26:32,700 --> 02:26:30,369
primitive group of people we don't know

3410
02:26:34,170 --> 02:26:32,710
you know we have to project all the time

3411
02:26:36,750 --> 02:26:34,180
we're always projecting on to this

3412
02:26:39,540 --> 02:26:36,760
experience and that's what makes a lot

3413
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:39,550
of ufologists you know look less than

3414
02:26:44,639 --> 02:26:41,770
sane you know to some of the skeptics

3415
02:26:46,679 --> 02:26:44,649
because we do project a lot of our own

3416
02:26:48,660 --> 02:26:46,689
feelings and expectations onto this

3417
02:26:49,859 --> 02:26:48,670
experience we have to get rid of that to

3418
02:26:51,090 --> 02:26:49,869
a certain extent as much as it's

3419
02:26:52,889 --> 02:26:51,100
possible it's never going to be a

3420
02:26:54,359 --> 02:26:52,899
hundred percent possible but we've got

3421
02:26:57,599 --> 02:26:54,369
to look at this thing and say what if

3422
02:27:00,029 --> 02:26:57,609
they're nothing at all like us what can

3423
02:27:02,189 --> 02:27:00,039
we expect then and that's a real brain

3424
02:27:04,979 --> 02:27:02,199
teaser that really gets it really starts

3425
02:27:06,540 --> 02:27:04,989
making you think really hard like how

3426
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:06,550
could I even imagine what that would be

3427
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:07,210
like

3428
02:27:11,370 --> 02:27:09,010
but that's step one really isn't it you

3429
02:27:12,660 --> 02:27:11,380
know go back to the other sightings go

3430
02:27:14,700 --> 02:27:12,670
back to what's happened to mass

3431
02:27:17,070 --> 02:27:14,710
sightings individual sightings what have

3432
02:27:18,900 --> 02:27:17,080
people been doing at that time you know

3433
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:18,910
what kind of people were they there's

3434
02:27:22,260 --> 02:27:20,290
been a lot of questions that haven't

3435
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:22,270
been asked about the people who have

3436
02:27:26,219 --> 02:27:24,489
actually been the beneficiary if you

3437
02:27:27,479 --> 02:27:26,229
want to call it that of the sightings or

3438
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:27,489
of the Close Encounters right right

3439
02:27:31,080 --> 02:27:29,680
right so it was a range of experience

3440
02:27:34,260 --> 02:27:31,090
that really hasn't been addressed

3441
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:34,270
because no one's taking it seriously so

3442
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:36,010
you don't have anthropologists and

3443
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:39,040
sociologists not in mass not the way we

3444
02:27:42,420 --> 02:27:40,720
need them to go out there and talk to

3445
02:27:44,250 --> 02:27:42,430
people in different countries and

3446
02:27:47,099 --> 02:27:44,260
understand you know what these things

3447
02:27:49,439 --> 02:27:47,109
mean to them you know how did it take

3448
02:27:52,229 --> 02:27:49,449
place how did it occur we have to start

3449
02:27:53,519 --> 02:27:52,239
by believing that it was true if we go

3450
02:27:55,290 --> 02:27:53,529
on the assumption that it's all nonsense

3451
02:27:57,210 --> 02:27:55,300
we're never going to get real

3452
02:27:59,370 --> 02:27:57,220
information from the people who have it

3453
02:28:00,840 --> 02:27:59,380
stay right there Peter I'm going to I'm

3454
02:28:03,150 --> 02:28:00,850
going to have to ask you to hang out for

3455
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:03,160
a little bit over time tonight I've got

3456
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cha alright welcome back a little bit of

3537
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overtime with Peter Levin de now for all

3538
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:48,190
of you members that are watching me

3539
02:32:53,551 --> 02:32:51,040
right down the bunker down this is not a

3540
02:32:56,131 --> 02:32:53,561
bowl of weed you think that's a bowl of

3541
02:32:59,070 --> 02:32:56,141
weed it looks like weed that's actually

3542
02:33:01,080 --> 02:32:59,080
a bowl of pyrite I got it this weekend

3543
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:01,090
it weighs about two or three pounds and

3544
02:33:07,350 --> 02:33:04,090
it looks like it looks like we'd

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actually but it's it's gold and sparkly

3546
02:33:11,070 --> 02:33:09,280
but when you see it on the camp because

3547
02:33:13,860 --> 02:33:11,080
I'm looking at it here looks like I'm

3548
02:33:21,060 --> 02:33:13,870
holding up a big bowl of weed it's not

3549
02:33:24,150 --> 02:33:21,070
it's pyrite and pyrite attracts the e/m

3550
02:33:26,820 --> 02:33:24,160
and some of the radiation that is here

3551
02:33:28,860 --> 02:33:26,830
in the bunker that you know it check

3552
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:28,870
this out Peter I have I'm literally

3553
02:33:34,730 --> 02:33:31,090
everybody in the bunker Camden see this

3554
02:33:37,500 --> 02:33:34,740
I have one two three four five six

3555
02:33:40,051 --> 02:33:37,510
monitors in front of me that are in a

3556
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:40,061
semicircle right going around yeah it's

3557
02:33:46,770 --> 02:33:44,130
pretty impressive but I am getting dosed

3558
02:33:48,450 --> 02:33:46,780
really six monitors that's a lot of yen

3559
02:33:51,810 --> 02:33:48,460
yeah it's a lot of yam and I've got a

3560
02:33:55,140 --> 02:33:51,820
lot of computers I've got five computers

3561
02:33:56,700 --> 02:33:55,150
six monitors and yeah there's a lot of

3562
02:33:59,790 --> 02:33:56,710
stuff floating around in this bunker

3563
02:34:02,280 --> 02:33:59,800
here so I've got a bunch of stuff I've

3564
02:34:05,011 --> 02:34:02,290
got a shin guy pyramid which is another

3565
02:34:08,011 --> 02:34:05,021
e/m attractor and soak her up of

3566
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:08,021
radiation so there you go I'm doing my

3567
02:34:13,979 --> 02:34:09,370
best to try to stay healthy

3568
02:34:21,940 --> 02:34:18,490
secret machines you know God's Bantam

3569
02:34:25,030 --> 02:34:21,950
war who was this book written for and

3570
02:34:27,250 --> 02:34:25,040
before you answer for us in ufology

3571
02:34:29,500 --> 02:34:27,260
right there are fans out there that know

3572
02:34:31,330 --> 02:34:29,510
more about ufology than you and i

3573
02:34:34,450 --> 02:34:31,340
combined and more than you and I will

3574
02:34:37,719 --> 02:34:34,460
ever know right there out there and so

3575
02:34:40,990 --> 02:34:37,729
when you read the book and the first

3576
02:34:44,229 --> 02:34:41,000
secret machines to for us in ufology

3577
02:34:46,120 --> 02:34:44,239
that study this there's not you know

3578
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:46,130
there isn't anything groundbreaking

3579
02:34:53,380 --> 02:34:50,890
there so is it written for the non

3580
02:34:55,179 --> 02:34:53,390
ufologist right then not you know the

3581
02:34:58,059 --> 02:34:55,189
people that are not in our sir who is

3582
02:35:01,150 --> 02:34:58,069
the book written for yeah it's written

3583
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:01,160
number one for a larger demographic you

3584
02:35:04,840 --> 02:35:03,770
might say people who are in ufology they

3585
02:35:07,660 --> 02:35:04,850
already believe what they believe

3586
02:35:09,849 --> 02:35:07,670
they've broken down into camps you know

3587
02:35:12,849 --> 02:35:09,859
they have their they have their belief

3588
02:35:14,679 --> 02:35:12,859
systems that they jealously defend and

3589
02:35:17,050 --> 02:35:14,689
that's that's how it should be almost

3590
02:35:18,729 --> 02:35:17,060
every kind of an academic or any kind of

3591
02:35:20,769 --> 02:35:18,739
educational environment it's going to be

3592
02:35:22,780 --> 02:35:20,779
the same way that's fine we're trying to

3593
02:35:24,610 --> 02:35:22,790
break different ground here we're trying

3594
02:35:26,679 --> 02:35:24,620
to get the attention of other people and

3595
02:35:28,599 --> 02:35:26,689
to encourage them to look at this thing

3596
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:28,609
from a different perspective from a

3597
02:35:33,700 --> 02:35:30,500
different point of view because to a lot

3598
02:35:37,630 --> 02:35:33,710
of people ufology did there's a kind of

3599
02:35:39,099 --> 02:35:37,640
public persona about ufology and it's

3600
02:35:40,750 --> 02:35:39,109
all about little green men and flying

3601
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:40,760
saucers so we're trying to number one

3602
02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:43,850
break that break through that number two

3603
02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:46,850
I understand what you say when you know

3604
02:35:51,550 --> 02:35:48,800
that there's nothing new in secret

3605
02:35:53,229 --> 02:35:51,560
machines I've also had to read a hell of

3606
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:53,239
a lot of books about it as you know I've

3607
02:35:57,790 --> 02:35:56,000
written about ufology a bit and sinister

3608
02:36:01,599 --> 02:35:57,800
forces as a couple of chapters where I

3609
02:36:04,479 --> 02:36:01,609
write about it a lot and having read

3610
02:36:06,750 --> 02:36:04,489
Sitchin and people like that and people

3611
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:06,760
who've gone through the sort of

3612
02:36:11,440 --> 02:36:08,960
religious aspect of it and all of that

3613
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:11,450
to me they they kind of make a mistake

3614
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:12,890
and we try to stay away from that

3615
02:36:18,809 --> 02:36:15,439
mistake in secret machines and a mistake

3616
02:36:23,080 --> 02:36:18,819
that I see is the desire to attribute

3617
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:23,090
too much to alien intervention-- right

3618
02:36:26,349 --> 02:36:25,250
okay so the pyramids were built by

3619
02:36:27,909 --> 02:36:26,359
aliens and the Nazca

3620
02:36:29,469 --> 02:36:27,919
lines were written by aliens or for

3621
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:29,479
aliens or something and there's always

3622
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:30,890
an alien explanation for everything

3623
02:36:36,369 --> 02:36:34,010
secret machines in my version to book we

3624
02:36:40,869 --> 02:36:36,379
call God's starts are from the premise

3625
02:36:42,369 --> 02:36:40,879
that no okay people did that but why did

3626
02:36:46,210 --> 02:36:42,379
they do it what was the actual

3627
02:36:48,429 --> 02:36:46,220
motivation what evidence is there not in

3628
02:36:50,679 --> 02:36:48,439
the buildings that they built because

3629
02:36:53,619 --> 02:36:50,689
our position is they built them humans

3630
02:36:56,109 --> 02:36:53,629
but what about the actual texts what

3631
02:36:58,899 --> 02:36:56,119
about how they describe the reasons why

3632
02:37:01,029 --> 02:36:58,909
they did what they did and to me that's

3633
02:37:03,519 --> 02:37:01,039
where the real information is go to

3634
02:37:06,609 --> 02:37:03,529
their texts go to their their their

3635
02:37:09,189 --> 02:37:06,619
actual scriptures if you will at a time

3636
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:09,199
when religion and technology and science

3637
02:37:13,029 --> 02:37:11,600
were not divided into little boxes but

3638
02:37:15,519 --> 02:37:13,039
we're all considered part of the same

3639
02:37:18,189 --> 02:37:15,529
continuum of information look at what

3640
02:37:21,969 --> 02:37:18,199
they said look at what look at what the

3641
02:37:26,199 --> 02:37:21,979
the the meanings that that carry over

3642
02:37:28,119 --> 02:37:26,209
from one culture to the next the the

3643
02:37:29,649 --> 02:37:28,129
images that carry over from one culture

3644
02:37:31,659 --> 02:37:29,659
to the next from one religion to the

3645
02:37:33,880 --> 02:37:31,669
next let's say look at all of that and

3646
02:37:37,269 --> 02:37:33,890
what are they telling us if we assume as

3647
02:37:39,550 --> 02:37:37,279
we do that the phenomenon is real and we

3648
02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:39,560
go back and say there was contact in

3649
02:37:43,300 --> 02:37:41,449
ancient times in prehistoric times

3650
02:37:45,819 --> 02:37:43,310
before writing was invented perhaps if

3651
02:37:49,449 --> 02:37:45,829
we go back to that point and look at it

3652
02:37:51,729 --> 02:37:49,459
what does all this mean then reinterpret

3653
02:37:54,010 --> 02:37:51,739
the scriptures from that point of view

3654
02:37:56,109 --> 02:37:54,020
reinterpret their ancient texts from

3655
02:37:58,199 --> 02:37:56,119
that point of view reinterpret their

3656
02:38:01,449 --> 02:37:58,209
buildings then from that point of view

3657
02:38:04,449 --> 02:38:01,459
there was a famous pyramid ologist

3658
02:38:05,949 --> 02:38:04,459
somebody who's an academic archaeologist

3659
02:38:08,979 --> 02:38:05,959
who's write was written very learning

3660
02:38:11,769 --> 02:38:08,989
books on on Egyptology who has a

3661
02:38:14,529 --> 02:38:11,779
tremendous line he says that the the

3662
02:38:16,779 --> 02:38:14,539
Great Pyramid or the pyramids in general

3663
02:38:20,229 --> 02:38:16,789
the Great Pyramid was a resurrection

3664
02:38:21,790 --> 02:38:20,239
machine you know I mean he understood

3665
02:38:24,550 --> 02:38:21,800
immediately that the idea was that

3666
02:38:26,859 --> 02:38:24,560
people who were buried in these tombs

3667
02:38:29,260 --> 02:38:26,869
were expected to resurrect and they were

3668
02:38:31,029 --> 02:38:29,270
oriented you know precisely and the

3669
02:38:33,819 --> 02:38:31,039
rituals of mummification were all

3670
02:38:37,300 --> 02:38:33,829
designed to get that body to get that

3671
02:38:39,730 --> 02:38:37,310
person off planet and we jump from there

3672
02:38:41,860 --> 02:38:39,740
in the series of books from there into

3673
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:41,870
the present day when we are jumping off

3674
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:43,760
planet it's like 2001 right with them

3675
02:38:48,370 --> 02:38:46,250
with the monkeys and the stick and the

3676
02:38:50,350 --> 02:38:48,380
monolith and then you'd suddenly there's

3677
02:38:51,790 --> 02:38:50,360
a there's a jump in your in 2001

3678
02:38:54,400 --> 02:38:51,800
supposedly and you're flying through

3679
02:38:58,211 --> 02:38:54,410
space the reason for that it's not just

3680
02:39:00,040 --> 02:38:58,221
that humans are you know aggressive this

3681
02:39:03,430 --> 02:39:00,050
way and we were you know we're just

3682
02:39:05,440 --> 02:39:03,440
expanding ourselves and we're we're

3683
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:05,450
stretching our limbs this way no we're

3684
02:39:08,680 --> 02:39:06,800
saying that there's a reason behind it

3685
02:39:10,270 --> 02:39:08,690
there's an absolute reason behind what

3686
02:39:12,430 --> 02:39:10,280
we're doing that's why I say our entire

3687
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:12,440
culture is geared towards that our

3688
02:39:16,660 --> 02:39:15,050
culture is a cargo cult you know we are

3689
02:39:18,310 --> 02:39:16,670
trying to get off planet we do it

3690
02:39:19,841 --> 02:39:18,320
through our religion we're doing it

3691
02:39:23,140 --> 02:39:19,851
through our science and technology I

3692
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:23,150
mean all the news is about you know Elon

3693
02:39:27,551 --> 02:39:24,650
Musk you know flying to Mars or

3694
02:39:28,961 --> 02:39:27,561
something you know or all the wealthy a

3695
02:39:30,881 --> 02:39:28,971
millionaire is trying to build their own

3696
02:39:32,650 --> 02:39:30,891
spaceships to get off planet this is the

3697
02:39:34,750 --> 02:39:32,660
combination of our sciences our sciences

3698
02:39:36,671 --> 02:39:34,760
are all kind of designed this way how

3699
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:36,681
are we going to survive in space how are

3700
02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:38,690
we going to survive on other planets

3701
02:39:42,430 --> 02:39:40,370
when and if this one becomes

3702
02:39:44,500 --> 02:39:42,440
uninhabitable right so we we think

3703
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:44,510
there's a continuum there and what we're

3704
02:39:48,671 --> 02:39:46,610
trying to say in our series what I'm

3705
02:39:50,801 --> 02:39:48,681
trying to say in the in the secret

3706
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:50,811
machine's books is that pay attention to

3707
02:39:53,140 --> 02:39:52,250
what we're what we're saying here pay

3708
02:39:54,671 --> 02:39:53,150
attention to what we're doing because

3709
02:39:56,110 --> 02:39:54,681
we're not telling you the same story

3710
02:39:59,020 --> 02:39:56,120
that you've heard before

3711
02:40:00,761 --> 02:39:59,030
it looks the same at first glance but if

3712
02:40:02,320 --> 02:40:00,771
you really read it and pay attention

3713
02:40:04,330 --> 02:40:02,330
you're going to see that we're trying to

3714
02:40:06,910 --> 02:40:04,340
say something else and it will become

3715
02:40:08,020 --> 02:40:06,920
clearer as we go along because we have

3716
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:08,030
to lay the foundation and the foundation

3717
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:10,730
was as Tom said if you think about

3718
02:40:13,961 --> 02:40:12,290
religion you're not too far off you're

3719
02:40:16,841 --> 02:40:13,971
on the right track you're getting close

3720
02:40:19,060 --> 02:40:16,851
to what this all means because we think

3721
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:19,070
in terms of boxes we have religion in

3722
02:40:22,990 --> 02:40:20,570
one box and we have science in another

3723
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:23,000
box and we have technology and yet

3724
02:40:27,011 --> 02:40:25,130
another box we're saying is we got to

3725
02:40:28,961 --> 02:40:27,021
transcend those boxes we have to

3726
02:40:31,270 --> 02:40:28,971
transcend those limits and look at

3727
02:40:33,430 --> 02:40:31,280
everything as one thing one continuum

3728
02:40:35,171 --> 02:40:33,440
one kind of information right one kind

3729
02:40:36,850 --> 02:40:35,181
of knowledge if we can do that we'll

3730
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:36,860
understand the phenomenon will

3731
02:40:42,400 --> 02:40:40,730
understand how to to make contact on a

3732
02:40:43,930 --> 02:40:42,410
more you know address of way if we

3733
02:40:46,120 --> 02:40:43,940
wanted to or how to defend ourselves

3734
02:40:47,801 --> 02:40:46,130
from contact if we feel it's inimical or

3735
02:40:50,860 --> 02:40:47,811
hostile we'll understand it better

3736
02:40:52,421 --> 02:40:50,870
because right now we have people having

3737
02:40:53,559 --> 02:40:52,431
the experience and they're either

3738
02:40:55,210 --> 02:40:53,569
interpreting it from

3739
02:40:57,130 --> 02:40:55,220
the point of view of religion or their

3740
02:40:58,779 --> 02:40:57,140
interpreting it you know as some sort of

3741
02:41:00,699 --> 02:40:58,789
government secret government project or

3742
02:41:02,229 --> 02:41:00,709
all different kinds of ways and they're

3743
02:41:05,260 --> 02:41:02,239
waiting for scientists to tell them what

3744
02:41:08,109 --> 02:41:05,270
it is well yeah and III want to be clear

3745
02:41:11,829 --> 02:41:08,119
here because I don't want I did I didn't

3746
02:41:14,739 --> 02:41:11,839
want to say or imply that there wasn't

3747
02:41:17,800 --> 02:41:14,749
anything new here but not it's not what

3748
02:41:20,019 --> 02:41:17,810
I meant what I meant was for us in in

3749
02:41:23,319 --> 02:41:20,029
the UFO circles we're going to read

3750
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:23,329
these and you know we're going to get it

3751
02:41:29,260 --> 02:41:26,720
right you know it's nothing new is what

3752
02:41:32,439 --> 02:41:29,270
I mean right we're going to get it but

3753
02:41:33,729 --> 02:41:32,449
for somebody that's outside of the UFO

3754
02:41:36,909 --> 02:41:33,739
circles they're going to read this is

3755
02:41:39,609 --> 02:41:36,919
this is all new fresh information yes so

3756
02:41:43,899 --> 02:41:39,619
was that the intention for the masses

3757
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:43,909
and not necessarily for us and you know

3758
02:41:47,979 --> 02:41:45,439
I would I understand what you're saying

3759
02:41:50,739 --> 02:41:47,989
because I've seen critiques like this

3760
02:41:53,050 --> 02:41:50,749
also right at number one yes for the

3761
02:41:54,819 --> 02:41:53,060
masses for sure and the reason is we

3762
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:54,829
want people to get involved in this now

3763
02:41:59,019 --> 02:41:56,479
people who would not ordinarily be

3764
02:42:01,719 --> 02:41:59,029
involved because they think ufology is a

3765
02:42:03,279 --> 02:42:01,729
crank discipline right right something

3766
02:42:05,679 --> 02:42:03,289
that's sort of fringe in its off off

3767
02:42:07,960 --> 02:42:05,689
center we're trying to pull that back

3768
02:42:09,609 --> 02:42:07,970
into the mainstream and say no no look

3769
02:42:11,050 --> 02:42:09,619
at this from different point of view see

3770
02:42:12,489 --> 02:42:11,060
that there's actual connections to

3771
02:42:14,050 --> 02:42:12,499
everything else that you're experienced

3772
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,060
in life right whether it's science

3773
02:42:18,819 --> 02:42:16,399
religion culture art music everything is

3774
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:18,829
is part of this continuum of information

3775
02:42:22,239 --> 02:42:20,479
right so for providing that's why we're

3776
02:42:24,159 --> 02:42:22,249
doing fiction and nonfiction that's why

3777
02:42:25,659 --> 02:42:24,169
we're doing you know music as well in

3778
02:42:28,599 --> 02:42:25,669
documentary films and all kinds of other

3779
02:42:30,340 --> 02:42:28,609
stuff it's one big project that you have

3780
02:42:32,019 --> 02:42:30,350
to a pre hend in its entirety to

3781
02:42:34,989 --> 02:42:32,029
understand what it is we're trying to do

3782
02:42:37,689 --> 02:42:34,999
because the phenomenon is that the

3783
02:42:39,159 --> 02:42:37,699
phenomenon is all of that the phenomenon

3784
02:42:41,469 --> 02:42:39,169
is your emotional center your

3785
02:42:43,479 --> 02:42:41,479
psychological feelings your intellect

3786
02:42:45,219 --> 02:42:43,489
it's all of its got to engage the entire

3787
02:42:48,279 --> 02:42:45,229
person in order to understand what it is

3788
02:42:50,859 --> 02:42:48,289
if we only go in a very literal ABCD

3789
02:42:53,529 --> 02:42:50,869
kind of way just a flat kind of

3790
02:42:55,239 --> 02:42:53,539
recitation of information it's just not

3791
02:42:57,819 --> 02:42:55,249
going to it's not going to penetrate

3792
02:43:00,429 --> 02:42:57,829
because it's more than that it's trying

3793
02:43:02,949 --> 02:43:00,439
to to explain to you what John Coltrane

3794
02:43:05,319 --> 02:43:02,959
did and do it in a thesis or a

3795
02:43:06,820 --> 02:43:05,329
dissertation sure sure and that must

3796
02:43:08,890 --> 02:43:06,830
have been difficult for you because you

3797
02:43:12,430 --> 02:43:08,900
always been a black-and-white ABC kind

3798
02:43:14,590 --> 02:43:12,440
of guy to say well I want to ask you

3799
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:14,600
this and again I want to thank you for

3800
02:43:18,670 --> 02:43:16,130
taking the time tonight to spend a

3801
02:43:21,310 --> 02:43:18,680
fascinating conversation for you it

3802
02:43:23,890 --> 02:43:21,320
takes a lot to shock you you've done it

3803
02:43:25,301 --> 02:43:23,900
all man okay you've done it all

3804
02:43:27,730 --> 02:43:25,311
we don't need to go into those details

3805
02:43:31,060 --> 02:43:27,740
but it takes a lot to shock you but as

3806
02:43:34,060 --> 02:43:31,070
you started to compile and write God's

3807
02:43:37,480 --> 02:43:34,070
for you I give me the one moment in the

3808
02:43:39,070 --> 02:43:37,490
book where even you were taken aback a

3809
02:43:41,410 --> 02:43:39,080
little bit and it was something that you

3810
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:41,420
didn't know and you couldn't wait for us

3811
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:45,530
to read it what was that there were a

3812
02:43:49,420 --> 02:43:47,840
couple of places and on top of my head

3813
02:43:50,650 --> 02:43:49,430
because she caught me here I think I'm

3814
02:43:56,680 --> 02:43:50,660
going to think of the one that's the

3815
02:44:00,040 --> 02:43:56,690
most cinematic and that probably was the

3816
02:44:04,301 --> 02:44:00,050
the section on Mexico and on Central

3817
02:44:07,900 --> 02:44:04,311
America realizing that there was

3818
02:44:13,450 --> 02:44:07,910
probably a kernel of real information

3819
02:44:16,710 --> 02:44:13,460
real data let's say behind the really

3820
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:16,720
horrific blood sacrifices of the Aztecs

3821
02:44:21,880 --> 02:44:19,850
that if I when I delved more deeply

3822
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:21,890
because I always had the suspicions but

3823
02:44:25,900 --> 02:44:23,450
when I started to delve more deeply and

3824
02:44:28,630 --> 02:44:25,910
I look at the academic papers when I do

3825
02:44:30,730 --> 02:44:28,640
this I don't read the pop stuff right so

3826
02:44:32,860 --> 02:44:30,740
I go into then I talk to other people

3827
02:44:35,830 --> 02:44:32,870
because I you know have friends in that

3828
02:44:37,540 --> 02:44:35,840
world and penetrated a little bit more

3829
02:44:39,400 --> 02:44:37,550
deeply into the rationale and the

3830
02:44:42,460 --> 02:44:39,410
reasons and the people that were

3831
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:42,470
selected for the sacrifice a crisis and

3832
02:44:47,380 --> 02:44:44,930
why was that necessary why was that you

3833
02:44:49,090 --> 02:44:47,390
know important and to realize with the

3834
02:44:51,250 --> 02:44:49,100
sudden you know sort of bursts of

3835
02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:51,260
clarity that it had something to do with

3836
02:44:56,320 --> 02:44:54,110
the biblical account you know of the

3837
02:44:58,060 --> 02:44:56,330
sons of God and daughters of men and the

3838
02:45:01,360 --> 02:44:58,070
biblical account of the sacrifice of

3839
02:45:02,770 --> 02:45:01,370
Isaac by Abraham or the sacrifices of

3840
02:45:04,810 --> 02:45:02,780
Jephthah and his daughter if I'm getting

3841
02:45:07,360 --> 02:45:04,820
too obscure let me know but anyway the

3842
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:07,370
idea that that the Bible itself was full

3843
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:09,110
of bloody sacrifices I mean just full of

3844
02:45:12,940 --> 02:45:10,730
it as wars there's destinations of

3845
02:45:14,290 --> 02:45:12,950
entire cultures and then we have the

3846
02:45:16,900 --> 02:45:14,300
Aztecs doing the same thing but on a

3847
02:45:19,210 --> 02:45:16,910
very stylized ritualized basis and there

3848
02:45:20,710 --> 02:45:19,220
was something to that story reading it

3849
02:45:22,511 --> 02:45:20,720
and penetrating deeper as

3850
02:45:24,970 --> 02:45:22,521
just getting past the the gory details

3851
02:45:27,430 --> 02:45:24,980
of ripping somebody's heart out you know

3852
02:45:30,011 --> 02:45:27,440
at the top of the the Aztec pyramids but

3853
02:45:31,480 --> 02:45:30,021
going to to the rituals themselves and

3854
02:45:33,580 --> 02:45:31,490
what they said about what they were

3855
02:45:35,740 --> 02:45:33,590
doing and the idea that there was a

3856
02:45:38,350 --> 02:45:35,750
genetic component to this whole thing

3857
02:45:41,530 --> 02:45:38,360
and that behind all of it there was this

3858
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:41,540
attempt to reach the Stars again and the

3859
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:45,110
idea that there was you know a race that

3860
02:45:50,020 --> 02:45:47,450
was treating human beings as a kind of

3861
02:45:51,551 --> 02:45:50,030
slave race you know and that the Aztecs

3862
02:45:53,620 --> 02:45:51,561
kind of understood this and they were

3863
02:45:55,240 --> 02:45:53,630
trying to get out of it somehow and they

3864
02:45:56,500 --> 02:45:55,250
were giving they're actually sacrificing

3865
02:45:59,410 --> 02:45:56,510
their best and their brightest quite

3866
02:46:01,810 --> 02:45:59,420
often on the sacrifices and trying to

3867
02:46:03,820 --> 02:46:01,820
parse that back and to say what did that

3868
02:46:06,250 --> 02:46:03,830
mean genetically what did that mean in

3869
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:06,260
the in the context of heredity and

3870
02:46:10,450 --> 02:46:08,090
traits that were passed on and traits

3871
02:46:13,360 --> 02:46:10,460
that were not I go into that little bit

3872
02:46:16,030 --> 02:46:13,370
in the book but it's it's this idea that

3873
02:46:18,280 --> 02:46:16,040
there really was a lot more to what we

3874
02:46:19,960 --> 02:46:18,290
thought of as these savage practices and

3875
02:46:22,631 --> 02:46:19,970
they were savage let's not get ourselves

3876
02:46:25,091 --> 02:46:22,641
but what was the rationale behind it

3877
02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:25,101
there's always a rationale and as I've

3878
02:46:30,280 --> 02:46:26,720
said you know a number of times

3879
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:30,290
myths don't start from nothing there's

3880
02:46:33,250 --> 02:46:32,450
an event and then there's a myth to

3881
02:46:35,051 --> 02:46:33,260
explain it

3882
02:46:36,940 --> 02:46:35,061
they don't just create myths and then

3883
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:36,950
have the rituals to reenact the myths

3884
02:46:42,670 --> 02:46:40,130
the rituals and the the events that the

3885
02:46:45,341 --> 02:46:42,680
ritual enacts comes first and this is a

3886
02:46:48,850 --> 02:46:45,351
way of explaining it to other people and

3887
02:46:50,410 --> 02:46:48,860
if we have myths about going to heaven

3888
02:46:52,091 --> 02:46:50,420
for instance if we have myths about

3889
02:46:53,860 --> 02:46:52,101
resurrection if we have myths about all

3890
02:46:56,860 --> 02:46:53,870
of these things they're based on

3891
02:46:59,650 --> 02:46:56,870
something that actually happened so this

3892
02:47:02,770 --> 02:46:59,660
to me is a very important facet of what

3893
02:47:05,080 --> 02:47:02,780
the my end of this project is all about

3894
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:05,090
to explain the fact that if we have

3895
02:47:09,341 --> 02:47:07,130
these myths they're explaining something

3896
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:09,351
they're not just some guys smoking dope

3897
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:11,450
someplace in a hut and coming up with

3898
02:47:16,570 --> 02:47:14,090
wild stories there's something real yeah

3899
02:47:18,670 --> 02:47:16,580
and and for you you know you spend five

3900
02:47:21,070 --> 02:47:18,680
years in the Catholic school getting

3901
02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:21,080
wrapped on your knuckles by a nun

3902
02:47:27,160 --> 02:47:24,170
oh yeah and so for you with a religious

3903
02:47:29,410 --> 02:47:27,170
background that you have had how how is

3904
02:47:33,220 --> 02:47:29,420
this research for you because you've

3905
02:47:34,280 --> 02:47:33,230
always done raw history right that's

3906
02:47:38,090 --> 02:47:34,290
that's been your spouse

3907
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:38,100
now we're going hardcore UFO Andi team

3908
02:47:45,470 --> 02:47:41,010
the alien subject in contact how has

3909
02:47:49,460 --> 02:47:45,480
that changed you on the religious side

3910
02:47:52,670 --> 02:47:49,470
was Jesus and et is the Vatican sitting

3911
02:47:55,310 --> 02:47:52,680
on a pile of secrets what happens when

3912
02:48:01,700 --> 02:47:55,320
we die now you know how has it changed

3913
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:01,710
you it's it's some the evidence as I say

3914
02:48:05,810 --> 02:48:03,600
for the phenomenon is overwhelming okay

3915
02:48:07,580 --> 02:48:05,820
so I've always known that I wrote about

3916
02:48:09,440 --> 02:48:07,590
it as I say it's sinister forces let's

3917
02:48:10,910 --> 02:48:09,450
some time ago now and I've always

3918
02:48:13,820 --> 02:48:10,920
understood that the evidence is

3919
02:48:15,470 --> 02:48:13,830
overwhelming to do interpret now to get

3920
02:48:18,261 --> 02:48:15,480
to the point through my conversations

3921
02:48:19,610 --> 02:48:18,271
with Tom and my conversations with some

3922
02:48:21,020 --> 02:48:19,620
of the other people around Tom who've

3923
02:48:23,630 --> 02:48:21,030
been giving us this information leading

3924
02:48:26,120 --> 02:48:23,640
us in certain directions telling us go

3925
02:48:27,740 --> 02:48:26,130
look here and go look there because of

3926
02:48:29,210 --> 02:48:27,750
all of that I began to go back and look

3927
02:48:31,460 --> 02:48:29,220
at everything with a different light my

3928
02:48:33,710 --> 02:48:31,470
focus on religion up to this point has

3929
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:33,720
been on shamanism you know the real

3930
02:48:38,750 --> 02:48:36,410
shaman the Siberian form has been on

3931
02:48:41,060 --> 02:48:38,760
alchemy as we've talked about before I

3932
02:48:43,370 --> 02:48:41,070
think right has been on transformative

3933
02:48:45,740 --> 02:48:43,380
spiritual practices let's say or the

3934
02:48:47,900 --> 02:48:45,750
technologies of mysticism which I've you

3935
02:48:50,090 --> 02:48:47,910
stripped of their ideological content

3936
02:48:51,890 --> 02:48:50,100
I'm just interested in the actual

3937
02:48:53,150 --> 02:48:51,900
rituals and the methods for attaining

3938
02:48:56,780 --> 02:48:53,160
these states that to me has always been

3939
02:48:59,150 --> 02:48:56,790
my main focus and so for me the the

3940
02:49:01,370 --> 02:48:59,160
other stuff the cultural impedimenta

3941
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:01,380
stuff that I really haven't focused on

3942
02:49:04,761 --> 02:49:03,090
that much I wanted to know how does this

3943
02:49:06,140 --> 02:49:04,771
guy do this you know what does he do

3944
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:06,150
what ritual does he do does he do

3945
02:49:10,340 --> 02:49:08,370
pranayama does he control breathing or

3946
02:49:12,140 --> 02:49:10,350
heart rate or you know is it drugs or is

3947
02:49:14,030 --> 02:49:12,150
it rituals and how are the rituals

3948
02:49:16,430 --> 02:49:14,040
designed this has always been my my

3949
02:49:21,160 --> 02:49:16,440
interest it's not been an anything else

3950
02:49:24,350 --> 02:49:21,170
this study has forced me to take that

3951
02:49:27,770 --> 02:49:24,360
background and to apply it now to all

3952
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:27,780
the rest of it to go and look at the the

3953
02:49:33,050 --> 02:49:30,960
religious insistence of various

3954
02:49:34,660 --> 02:49:33,060
religious leaders as to you know death

3955
02:49:36,890 --> 02:49:34,670
and resurrection for instance or

3956
02:49:38,960 --> 02:49:36,900
speaking with angels or speaking with

3957
02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:38,970
demons exorcism that whole thing has

3958
02:49:42,830 --> 02:49:40,650
maybe go back and look at that from a

3959
02:49:44,150 --> 02:49:42,840
different perspective and to realize

3960
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,160
that you have to take a holistic

3961
02:49:47,680 --> 02:49:46,560
approach to this as new-agey as that

3962
02:49:49,450 --> 02:49:47,690
sounds you have

3963
02:49:52,001 --> 02:49:49,460
take a holistic approach to the subject

3964
02:49:54,161 --> 02:49:52,011
if you approach the phenomenon strictly

3965
02:49:56,081 --> 02:49:54,171
from the point of view of a physical

3966
02:49:58,331 --> 02:49:56,091
machine you're going to miss it and

3967
02:50:01,661 --> 02:49:58,341
that's why we're called this whole

3968
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:01,671
project is called secret machines be the

3969
02:50:06,671 --> 02:50:04,160
translation of secret if you use the

3970
02:50:08,291 --> 02:50:06,681
Greek translation as missus which means

3971
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:08,301
which is the root of the word mysticism

3972
02:50:12,220 --> 02:50:10,490
and mystical right so a secret machine

3973
02:50:14,560 --> 02:50:12,230
if certain languages could also be a

3974
02:50:16,331 --> 02:50:14,570
mystical machine you know it's a device

3975
02:50:19,150 --> 02:50:16,341
like the resurrection machine of the

3976
02:50:21,131 --> 02:50:19,160
pyramid it's a device and this device is

3977
02:50:22,810 --> 02:50:21,141
not necessarily as nuts-and-bolts as we

3978
02:50:25,871 --> 02:50:22,820
think we're now at the point of

3979
02:50:28,990 --> 02:50:25,881
convergence we're removing past you know

3980
02:50:31,780 --> 02:50:29,000
hardcore plastic and metal and silica

3981
02:50:33,280 --> 02:50:31,790
based you know information processing to

3982
02:50:35,350 --> 02:50:33,290
maybe something else something a lot

3983
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:35,360
more different and we're talking about

3984
02:50:39,400 --> 02:50:38,210
even humans being you know the next 50

3985
02:50:41,770 --> 02:50:39,410
years will be half of them will be

3986
02:50:44,320 --> 02:50:41,780
machined right will have better eyes

3987
02:50:46,900 --> 02:50:44,330
that will machine will craft will we're

3988
02:50:50,261 --> 02:50:46,910
entering kind of a cyborg era if we're

3989
02:50:52,990 --> 02:50:50,271
doing that if that is true then the

3990
02:50:56,621 --> 02:50:53,000
experience of the phenomenon must be

3991
02:50:59,711 --> 02:50:56,631
related to that as well you know we're

3992
02:51:03,761 --> 02:50:59,721
looking at alien life whatever that may

3993
02:51:05,320 --> 02:51:03,771
be in kind of organic terms what if it's

3994
02:51:07,871 --> 02:51:05,330
not what if it's more machine than

3995
02:51:09,581 --> 02:51:07,881
organic well it would I would think that

3996
02:51:12,341 --> 02:51:09,591
it would have to be Peter for a lot of

3997
02:51:14,740 --> 02:51:12,351
different reasons you know at least a

3998
02:51:18,190 --> 02:51:14,750
portion of it it's the only way to

3999
02:51:20,171 --> 02:51:18,200
survive a hundred light years you would

4000
02:51:23,850 --> 02:51:20,181
have to be part machine or all machine

4001
02:51:26,051 --> 02:51:23,860
at this point that or somebody is is

4002
02:51:28,301 --> 02:51:26,061
traveling faster than light through

4003
02:51:30,371 --> 02:51:28,311
wormholes to get here or traveling

4004
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:30,381
inside of our own solar system all of

4005
02:51:34,331 --> 02:51:32,570
those are possibilities but certainly

4006
02:51:38,980 --> 02:51:34,341
the Machine aspect would have to come

4007
02:51:40,720 --> 02:51:38,990
into play let me ask you this I should

4008
02:51:42,751 --> 02:51:40,730
actually let you respond to that but

4009
02:51:46,030 --> 02:51:42,761
we're almost out of time thank you again

4010
02:51:48,371 --> 02:51:46,040
if you could sit down with the Pope have

4011
02:51:51,371 --> 02:51:48,381
a little private with the Pope one on

4012
02:51:56,460 --> 02:51:51,381
one nobody else in the room what would

4013
02:52:03,099 --> 02:51:59,889
keep up the good work men well it's been

4014
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:03,109
successful so far right yeah I'm so far

4015
02:52:06,280 --> 02:52:03,770
so good

4016
02:52:08,019 --> 02:52:06,290
keep up the good work that's the best

4017
02:52:08,290 --> 02:52:08,029
answer I've heard in a long time all

4018
02:52:10,809 --> 02:52:08,300
right

4019
02:52:13,599 --> 02:52:10,819
Peter thank you what a what's up next

4020
02:52:16,929 --> 02:52:13,609
when is a book to coming out for this

4021
02:52:19,570 --> 02:52:16,939
trilogy I think it's coming out either

4022
02:52:20,860 --> 02:52:19,580
towards well probably about six months

4023
02:52:22,660 --> 02:52:20,870
or so perhaps a little longer

4024
02:52:25,300 --> 02:52:22,670
we're spacing them out with the novels

4025
02:52:26,860 --> 02:52:25,310
as well so it's you know first a novel

4026
02:52:28,750 --> 02:52:26,870
than my book than a novel than my book

4027
02:52:30,490 --> 02:52:28,760
it's like that so I think that mine will

4028
02:52:33,880 --> 02:52:30,500
be a little bit later but I have also

4029
02:52:35,950 --> 02:52:33,890
the sequel to the Lovecraft Code coming

4030
02:52:37,750 --> 02:52:35,960
up as well probably the end of this year

4031
02:52:42,160 --> 02:52:37,760
will be available and that's called

4032
02:52:43,809 --> 02:52:42,170
Dunwich dude how do you somebody asked

4033
02:52:45,070 --> 02:52:43,819
me the other day you know what we've

4034
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:45,080
Church when you're going to write a book

4035
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:46,399
my answer is never

4036
02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:50,479
that discipline I am anybody that pulls

4037
02:52:56,349 --> 02:52:53,930
it off eat just one write is is somebody

4038
02:52:58,420 --> 02:52:56,359
that I really admire and look up to but

4039
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:58,430
everything that you have done and you've

4040
02:53:03,189 --> 02:53:00,319
been very very consistent over the years

4041
02:53:05,559 --> 02:53:03,199
has been great and and a great read but

4042
02:53:08,320 --> 02:53:05,569
you are in production right now man how

4043
02:53:10,330 --> 02:53:08,330
do you how do you how do you do it it's

4044
02:53:12,340 --> 02:53:10,340
weird because I do sometimes two or

4045
02:53:14,260 --> 02:53:12,350
three projects at once all on the same

4046
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:14,270
day and switching back and forth is a

4047
02:53:19,540 --> 02:53:16,880
little bizarre it's a little trippy but

4048
02:53:21,189 --> 02:53:19,550
it can be done you know I'm kind of used

4049
02:53:23,500 --> 02:53:21,199
to it now and I have most of my research

4050
02:53:25,420 --> 02:53:23,510
done that I need to have done for the

4051
02:53:26,920 --> 02:53:25,430
next book that's coming out and you know

4052
02:53:28,360 --> 02:53:26,930
for the next two books I mean for the

4053
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:28,370
Dunwich and as well as for the next

4054
02:53:32,679 --> 02:53:30,080
secret machine so I'm you know I'm doing

4055
02:53:35,050 --> 02:53:32,689
it you know it's it's it's exhausting a

4056
02:53:37,090 --> 02:53:35,060
little but you know it can be done Peter

4057
02:53:39,280 --> 02:53:37,100
you are the very best thank you so much

4058
02:53:41,650 --> 02:53:39,290
and I know I told you ten minutes and I

4059
02:53:43,179 --> 02:53:41,660
stretched it out to 25 but just thank

4060
02:53:45,490 --> 02:53:43,189
you so much thank you for going on

4061
02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:45,500
tonight and I hope I didn't push you

4062
02:53:50,920 --> 02:53:47,930
around too much but thank you so much

4063
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:50,930
you're the best Peter thank you Peter

4064
02:53:56,860 --> 02:53:53,359
Levin to everybody again don't forget

4065
02:54:00,040 --> 02:53:56,870
Peter Levin de dot-com you can also

4066
02:54:03,150 --> 02:54:00,050
follow Peter on twitter at Peter Levin

4067
02:54:05,740 --> 02:54:03,160
de and you can go to to the stars

4068
02:54:07,599 --> 02:54:05,750
secret machines is their secret machines

4069
02:54:09,960 --> 02:54:07,609
everything is also on am

4070
02:54:12,489 --> 02:54:09,970
on and go check out to the stars

4071
02:54:16,029 --> 02:54:12,499
actually some really cool sunglasses

4072
02:54:17,769 --> 02:54:16,039
over there but there you go thank you so

4073
02:54:21,489 --> 02:54:17,779
much Peter great conversation tonight

4074
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:21,499
before I let everybody go a couple of

4075
02:54:28,300 --> 02:54:25,369
things there was a an event that

4076
02:54:30,519 --> 02:54:28,310
happened today where non-essential

4077
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:30,529
personnel were instructed to shelter in

4078
02:54:36,399 --> 02:54:33,770
place which reminds me of when I grew up

4079
02:54:39,250 --> 02:54:36,409
in the nuclear age of the 60s and 70s

4080
02:54:41,349 --> 02:54:39,260
when we had to do the Duck and Cover but

4081
02:54:44,769 --> 02:54:41,359
they had to shelter in place after a

4082
02:54:48,099 --> 02:54:44,779
tunnel cave-in at the Hanford nuclear

4083
02:54:51,210 --> 02:54:48,109
waste site in Washington State and this

4084
02:54:54,369 --> 02:54:51,220
happened earlier today and so far

4085
02:54:56,710 --> 02:54:54,379
radiation dangers and injuries appear to

4086
02:54:59,460 --> 02:54:56,720
have been averted but the tests and

4087
02:55:02,080 --> 02:54:59,470
monitoring are continuing they say with

4088
02:55:05,319 --> 02:55:02,090
emergency responders are now at the

4089
02:55:08,309 --> 02:55:05,329
scene soil collapsed over a 20-foot

4090
02:55:11,729 --> 02:55:08,319
square section of a tunnel check this

4091
02:55:14,649 --> 02:55:11,739
housing contaminated material at Hanford

4092
02:55:17,790 --> 02:55:14,659
Hanford is a former nuclear weapons

4093
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:17,800
production site where they made

4094
02:55:24,219 --> 02:55:20,720
plutonium in the south central part of

4095
02:55:28,119 --> 02:55:24,229
the state about 45 miles from Yakima not

4096
02:55:30,130 --> 02:55:28,129
Fatima Yakima now since 1989 the

4097
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:30,140
government has been in the process of

4098
02:55:36,580 --> 02:55:32,810
cleaning up the site the breached tunnel

4099
02:55:40,300 --> 02:55:36,590
was used to bury radioactive waste from

4100
02:55:43,689 --> 02:55:40,310
the production of plutonium check this

4101
02:55:48,250 --> 02:55:43,699
out it Hanford was part of the Manhattan

4102
02:55:52,149 --> 02:55:48,260
Project and the original plutonium for

4103
02:55:56,380 --> 02:55:52,159
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were produced up

4104
02:55:59,069 --> 02:55:56,390
at Hanford also the trains the trains

4105
02:56:01,779 --> 02:55:59,079
the locomotives the trains that

4106
02:56:04,319 --> 02:56:01,789
transported plutonium and radioactive

4107
02:56:08,710 --> 02:56:04,329
material around the country are all

4108
02:56:11,699 --> 02:56:08,720
radioactive and that trains are in this

4109
02:56:14,830 --> 02:56:11,709
tunnel - I'm not I'm not making this up

4110
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:14,840
but it looks like a catastrophe was

4111
02:56:19,179 --> 02:56:17,359
averted now the other part of the story

4112
02:56:20,350 --> 02:56:19,189
that is crazy that's what I wanted to

4113
02:56:23,860 --> 02:56:20,360
share with you

4114
02:56:28,060 --> 02:56:23,870
is arty Russia today rt.com

4115
02:56:31,301 --> 02:56:28,070
broke this story first and that's where

4116
02:56:35,890 --> 02:56:31,311
I read about it and they were literally

4117
02:56:37,870 --> 02:56:35,900
five or six hours ahead of all of the

4118
02:56:40,480 --> 02:56:37,880
mainstream media here in the United

4119
02:56:43,780 --> 02:56:40,490
States here we have a tunnel collapse at

4120
02:56:47,410 --> 02:56:43,790
a nuclear facility and our mainstream

4121
02:56:50,020 --> 02:56:47,420
media did not report it Russia Today did

4122
02:56:52,270 --> 02:56:50,030
it first so there you go

4123
02:56:55,180 --> 02:56:52,280
I'm just saying I'm not I'm not

4124
02:56:58,060 --> 02:56:55,190
condoning the reading of Russia today

4125
02:57:00,160 --> 02:56:58,070
but they were first I want to thank

4126
02:57:04,650 --> 02:57:00,170
Peter Levin de for another absolutely

4127
02:57:08,410 --> 02:57:04,660
perfect conversation tonight Peter Levin

4128
02:57:12,041 --> 02:57:08,420
Descamps of course it is volume one of

4129
02:57:14,051 --> 02:57:12,051
the seeker machines gods series stated

4130
02:57:15,820 --> 02:57:14,061
blacks executive producers ridic Omarion

4131
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shows produced by Hill Jay Paul Martin

4132
02:57:21,310 --> 02:57:18,591
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4133
02:57:24,461 --> 02:57:21,320
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4136
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4139
02:57:44,680 --> 02:57:41,000
again special thanks to Peter Levin de

4140
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4141
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